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Re:Uber to engineer: Return stolen docs, or swear you didn't... by desdiv on Friday May 19, 2017 @05:44PM (#14379569)
>"Give me immunity, and I'll give you all the evidence that Uber was in on this plan from the start"

I get that Uber is a toxic company, but I'm not sure if immunity is a good idea.

"If you steal on behalf of Big Corp and gets caught, you can just rat out Big Corp and get off scot-free."

Is that really the sort of signal that we want our court systems to send out?

Re:Uber to engineer: Return stolen docs, or swear you didn't... by TeMPOraL on Friday May 19, 2017 @06:07PM (#14379695)
Replace "Big Corp" with "organized crime" and "steal" with... well, "steal" may stay - and yes, I think courts already encourage that, and with good reason - ultimately, it's vital to be able to catch the people actually scheming, and not just the pawns executing those schemes.
Re:Uber to engineer: Return stolen docs, or swear you didn't... by jlarocco on Friday May 19, 2017 @07:29PM (#14380099)
I think it's pretty rare for courts to offer full immunity to people involved in organized crime, and they definitely don't offer it to the highest level targets.

Levandowski may not be the mastermind behind the whole thing, but his going along with it is the only reason it was even possible. And he made a ton of money from it. There's no way he's going to get immunity.

Re:Uber to engineer: Return stolen docs, or swear you didn't... by TeMPOraL on Friday May 19, 2017 @07:35PM (#14380123)
I didn't mean immunity, just leniency.

In this case, I'm convinced that Levandowski will not get away scot-free.

Re:Uber to engineer: Return stolen docs, or swear you didn't... by travmatt on Friday May 19, 2017 @08:02PM (#14380227)
IIUC, much of American corporate law works like this - be the one to bring us this info, and we'll take it easy on you. They then go harder after the individuals/companies who held out - trying to maximize the prisoners dilemma.
Re:Uber to engineer: Return stolen docs, or swear you didn't... by ryanx435 on Friday May 19, 2017 @05:53PM (#14379627)
yes. we absolutely want to encourage whistle blowers.

obviously the level of immunity will vary based on the circumstances of each case, but again, we absolutely want to encourage this type of behavior.

Re:Uber to engineer: Return stolen docs, or swear you didn't... by jlarocco on Friday May 19, 2017 @07:23PM (#14380073)
> yes. we absolutely want to encourage whistle blowers.

What? Levandowski can't be a whistle blower here because he had a central role in the (alleged) criminal activity. The case wouldn't even exist without him.

If the allegations are true, the best he's going to get for turning on Uber is a plea deal.

Re:Uber to engineer: Return stolen docs, or swear you didn't... by mattnewton on Friday May 19, 2017 @09:47PM (#14380607)
How would he be a whistle blower? He didn't allegedly witness it, he allegedly did the deed!
Re:Uber to engineer: Return stolen docs, or swear you didn't... by ggggtez on Friday May 19, 2017 @07:15PM (#14380036)
Whistle blower tend to be lower on the totem pole. If it really is conspiracy your not likely going to see anyone in the court offer immunities for something he benefited hundreds of millions of dollars for.
Re:Uber to engineer: Return stolen docs, or swear you didn't... by matt_wulfeck on Saturday May 20, 2017 @12:29AM (#14381042)
That can all be worked out as part of his plea deal.
Re:Uber to engineer: Return stolen docs, or swear you didn't... by setr on Saturday May 20, 2017 @01:07PM (#14383292)
Well, if people consistently rat out the big corp (because its now better to do so than not) then cost/success rate of theft should hopefully become untenable, and they'd stop trying to find people to steal for them.

And ofc, the big corp is clearly the preferred target, since they're much more likely to repeatedly commit crimes (and at larger scales) than the individual

Cleanest way to beat a tagteam is to convince them they're enemies

Re:Uber to engineer: Return stolen docs, or swear you didn't... by akira2501 on Friday May 19, 2017 @06:30PM (#14379816)
> I get that Uber is a toxic company, but I'm not sure if immunity is a good idea.

I don't think immunity protects you from civil damages, though.. just the criminal penalties. So, still not a great trade for Levandowski if he makes a deal.

Re:Uber to engineer: Return stolen docs, or swear you didn't... by gremlinsinc on Friday May 19, 2017 @06:12PM (#14379721)
I don't think immunity is on the table..maybe a commuted sentence? 2-5 years? He's rich so it'll probably be home arrest, or just probation or something.
Re:Uber to engineer: Return stolen docs, or swear you didn't... by mattnewton on Friday May 19, 2017 @09:48PM (#14380615)
If I were an Uber investor or Uber management I'd be rereading all the contracts for ways to claw back his payment.
Re:Uber to engineer: Return stolen docs, or swear you didn't... by mattnewton on Friday May 19, 2017 @09:46PM (#14380603)
Especially since he is hundreds of millions of dollars richer for the whole exchange