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Re:The Circus Leaves Town: Ringling Bros and Barnum and Bail... by robrenaud on Friday May 19, 2017 @10:37AM (#14376035)
> There are certainly differing opinions on what constitutes animal cruelty and is moral or immoral [e.g., killing and eating them]. So what is "right" is not so clear cut.

What does this kind of argument say about the morality slavery in 1860? Opinions were strongly divided, therefore was it not so clear cut?

Re:The Circus Leaves Town: Ringling Bros and Barnum and Bail... by Karunamon on Friday May 19, 2017 @11:19AM (#14376511)
Not really the same thing. Causing suffering to a sentient being carries a different set of philosophical implications than to a being that operates on instinct.

Case in point: Most everyone is opposed to people owning people, but very few are opposed to people owning other animals.

Re:The Circus Leaves Town: Ringling Bros and Barnum and Bail... by pyre on Friday May 19, 2017 @11:40AM (#14376734)
Arguments are divided on what constitutes a "sentient being" though. There are plenty of science-fiction morality plays around at what points robots/ai should be considered sentient. At one point tribal cultures were seen as pretty much "not sentient" for all intents and purposes.

Can you give me a test that will definitely say if a being is sentient or not that doesn't basically boil down to "is this being a human or not?"

> Case in point: Most everyone is opposed to people owning people, but very few are opposed to people owning other animals.

There have been cultures where "very few people" were opposed to human sacrifice. This is meaningless as an argument.

Re:The Circus Leaves Town: Ringling Bros and Barnum and Bail... by Karunamon on Friday May 19, 2017 @11:47AM (#14376799)
When we're talking about what is socially acceptable, and making comparisons to slavery as was done elsewhere in this thread, that is the entire argument.
Re:The Circus Leaves Town: Ringling Bros and Barnum and Bail... by pyre on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @02:11PM (#14403658)
The argument is drawing parallels between slavery (currently not socially acceptable) and treatment of animals as livestock (currently socially acceptable). You're basically responding to this argument by regurgitating what current status quo is. Stating "the status quo is the status quo" isn't an argument on why the status quo is justified. It's just a statement of fact.
Re:The Circus Leaves Town: Ringling Bros and Barnum and Bail... by ceejayoz on Friday May 19, 2017 @11:44AM (#14376764)
It's pretty clear at this point that elephants operate on more than raw instinct.
Re:The Circus Leaves Town: Ringling Bros and Barnum and Bail... by tclancy on Friday May 19, 2017 @12:27PM (#14377181)