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Re:Why Amazon is eating the world by WalterBright on Monday May 15, 2017 @11:22AM (#14342262)
I've been in business for decades, and this is a repeating problem. We have feature X for years, nobody much cares about it, our competitor comes out with X and it's lauded as amazing and innovative.

Having a competent PR department matters a LOT in business.

Re:Why Amazon is eating the world by devonkim on Monday May 15, 2017 @02:06PM (#14343683)
I think one of the problems facing specifically Walmart is that their multi-decade long negative sentiment at the corporate and personal lives of the executives among social progressives that are strong among the "millennial" demographic in the US undermines a lot of the innovation that the company does.

Thus, if I were in Walmart's position, I would be spinning out separate companies potentially rather than even doing M&A to try to capture the market because I'm not sure if jet.com is really going to undo the damage.

About a decade ago when I was at HP one of the senior executives in the personal computing group was talking about how he demoed a touchscreen computer and people were pretty impressed and asking when it's going to be out and he was disappointed that nobody knew that HP had already released it. Combined with a completely unfocused company direction, anemic marketing budget, and continued obsession with trying to squeeze more money out of legacy markets (like most traditional enterprises TBQH) HP's reputation as a low end commodity OEM with mediocre software in the consumer verticals has been quite solidly imprinted and little will change that perception without clear, obvious direction change to consumers. And few businesses (and more accurately, their board of directors) have the guts to do that.

Re:Why Amazon is eating the world by Touche on Monday May 15, 2017 @04:00PM (#14344637)
> I think one of the problems facing specifically Walmart is that their multi-decade long negative sentiment at the corporate and personal lives of the executives among social progressives that are strong among the "millennial" demographic in the US undermines a lot of the innovation that the company does.

Nah, that's limited to upper middle class millennial who can afford to "buy local" and buy fair-trade coffee. If you walk into any Walmart in the country you'll see a lot of millennials shopping there because it's cheaper (and in a lot of places its essentially the only store in town).

Re:Why Amazon is eating the world by linkregister on Monday May 15, 2017 @06:30PM (#14345737)
Absolutely. On the other hand, almost all of those customers are unaware that Walmart has free 2-day shipping on all orders about $35. Hell, I didn't know that until I read that comment.

The PR stuff still stands, the swipe at millennials is as unrepresentative as you said it was.

Re:Why Amazon is eating the world by joe_the_user on Monday May 15, 2017 @01:12PM (#14343241)
I haven't seen Walmart sell anything online but stuff you'd more or less find in their stores where Amazon is a funnel point for a zillion online shops and lets me buy from them without worry. Maybe Walmart's cultivated the complete equivalent of Amazon online BUT it's would be hard to convince people of it because what people think of Walmart as is pretty set.

Just as much, my own experience of Walmart's brick and mortar stores has been stuff of such low quality that it's effectively expensive even at their low prices - a place only those who are desperate would shop at.

And that's thing. Walmart has a huge PR hurdle to overcome because it's Walmart. Sure it has a huge base of customers but it also has a huge base of un-customers, of people would never, never touch the place.

So here, it's a lot more than whether they have X feature.

Re:Why Amazon is eating the world by opo on Monday May 15, 2017 @01:37PM (#14343434)
>I haven't seen Walmart sell anything online but stuff you'd more or less find in their stores where Amazon is a funnel point for a zillion online shops and lets me buy from them without worry.

The "without worry" part is maybe being optimistic. There have been a couple of previous hacker news discussions on the problem of counterfeit goods being sold by Amazon. The problem here is that if there are counterfeit goods being sold by a 3rd party, you might get them even if the product listing your ordered from says that it is sold and shipped by Amazon. Amazon co-mingles goods from Amazon and third party sellers unless the third party seller explicitly opts out of it (which costs more money for them and someone selling counterfeit goods has every incentive to co-mingle their goods with others). I don't think I have run into counterfeit goods, but others claim to have:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13924546

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13955981

Re:Why Amazon is eating the world by joe_the_user on Monday May 15, 2017 @04:02PM (#14344642)
>"The "without worry" part is maybe being optimistic. There have been a couple of previous hacker news discussions on the problem of counterfeit goods being sold by Amazon."

Part of this also is that Amazon has very generous return policies. I feel pretty sure that if whatever I buy is generally bad, I can return it. In fact, I have a highly neurotic friend who returns thing constantly to Amazon and is generally able to do so.

As to counterfeits. for the consumer, this only matters if the quality is unacceptable (which reviews and returns take care of - at for me). For copyright holders, it's problem but that's what courts are made for.

Re:Why Amazon is eating the world by opo on Monday May 15, 2017 @05:56PM (#14345496)
>...As to counterfeits. for the consumer, this only matters if the quality is unacceptable (which reviews and returns take care of - at for me).

That is the problem here with Amazon. With comingling of products, it doesn't really matter what the reviews say since even if it says sold and shipped by Amazon it could be from a shady 3rd party merchant with counterfeit goods. A counterfeit battery will hopefilly just have a shorter life than expected, but if it something you consume, it could be worse and you may or may not be able to tell if it is fake. I like the convenience and selection of Amazon, (and have been a customer since they started) but until they stop this comingling, I feel I have to be a little more careful what I buy from them.

Re:Why Amazon is eating the world by joe_the_user on Monday May 15, 2017 @08:03PM (#14346307)
Good point, the things that could be bad in invisible ways would be a whole different level of problematic where the usual filters are harder.
Re:Why Amazon is eating the world by ianai on Monday May 15, 2017 @12:27PM (#14342848)
In Walmarts case, free 2 day shipping above $35 is not the same as prime. That's a lot less compelling. Also the yearly membership locks people to amazon to an extent.
Re:Why Amazon is eating the world by wayn3 on Monday May 15, 2017 @12:59PM (#14343125)
the point of amazon is the customer service.

i buy a TV at a random retailer. the tv breaks. i need to take the TV there, they send it to the manufacturer for repairs, 6 weeks later i maybe get my tv back.

a tv ordered at amazon breaks, they collect it, bring a replacement and deal with the problem themselves.

for me, and a lot of other people, amazon has quit competing on price. we buy there for the convenience, not because its "cheap".

Re:Why Amazon is eating the world by creepydata on Monday May 15, 2017 @01:14PM (#14343256)
Walmart is known for their generous return policy as well. 15+ years ago my roommate worked at Walmart customer service desk. She told me she was instructed to basically never not process a return. I don't know if it's still that way, I haven't returned anything to Walmart in probably a decade. I'm sure walmart.com would be similar.
Re:Why Amazon is eating the world by wayn3 on Monday May 15, 2017 @01:20PM (#14343311)
maybe its like some other post in this thread said. maybe amazon isnt all that special in reality. but in our minds, it is.

shopping at amazon is seamless. even when you order something and then dont want it. i dont have to accept the package and then send it back, i just tell the postal person that i dont want it, they return it, amazon accepts that as a return and ships the money back without asking questions. not probing questions. they just dont ask. they do the thing i expect them to do without even bothering me with an email. it doesnt bother me at all. thats whats so good about it.

i get that thats first world problems. but hackernews IS about spoiled software engineers being spoiled.

amazon has this weird concierge service built in. it just works for me.

Re:Why Amazon is eating the world by creepydata on Monday May 15, 2017 @04:12PM (#14344726)
How is that different from any other online retailer?

What sort of concierge service is Amazon providing you?

Re:Why Amazon is eating the world by thirdsun on Tuesday May 16, 2017 @01:56AM (#14347664)
Are you european by any chance? We enjoy reasonable return policies by default - sure, Amazon adds a few benefits like extended return periods, but as a european you get the basic return options anywhere. Returning items without any questions asked isn't magical here, it's required and expected. It is my understanding that the return policies in the US very much depend on the seller which turns Amazon into the shining gold standard, I guess.
Re:Why Amazon is eating the world by creepydata on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @02:25PM (#14361287)
Nope, American.
Re:Why Amazon is eating the world by RUG3Y on Monday May 15, 2017 @02:50PM (#14344078)
This is true. You can return anything - obviously abused/ broken stuff, even items purchased from other stores. Items purchased from Walmart.com can also be returned to any physical Walmart location, no questions asked.
Re:Why Amazon is eating the world by creepydata on Monday May 15, 2017 @04:17PM (#14344761)
Yeah, my roommate said she processed returns that were obvious scams at the Walmart Service Desk but she still was still supposed to process them anyway. Guess they accepted the scams were a just a cost of offering a great return policy.
Re:Why Amazon is eating the world by mrec on Monday May 15, 2017 @01:04PM (#14343168)
> Also the yearly membership locks people to amazon to an extent.

True, but I see that as a strike against Amazon. I was really pissed off recently when I found Amazon were selling the DVD/BD of a popular recent movie as a Prime exclusive; non-Prime customers can't buy it from them at all, unless they want to roll the dice on that wretched hive of scum and piracy which is the Amazon thirdparty market.

If Prime becomes effectively unavoidable, and Amazon's sticker prices get to amortize the Prime fee as "discounts", then they no longer have much of an incentive to compete on true price. As a customer, that's not even a tiny bit compelling.

Re:Why Amazon is eating the world by dragonwriter on Monday May 15, 2017 @01:07PM (#14343198)
> non-Prime customers can't buy it from them at all, unless they want to roll the dice on that wretched hive of scum and piracy which is the Amazon thirdparty market.

Doesn't Amazon use shared inventory between first party and fulfilled-by-Amazon third party sellers, so that the first party market is potentially as much a hive of scum and piracy as the third party market. I'm quite sure that's been raised as an issue many times with regard to counterfeits.

Re:Why Amazon is eating the world by cvwright on Monday May 15, 2017 @01:23PM (#14343327)
Do they really? That's horrible! It would also explain so much bad/strange behavior where Amazon gets caught selling fraudulent merchandise.

For a good example of this, look up reviews on CR2032 coin cell batteries sometime. In a nutshell, regardless of which brand you pick or who you buy from on Amazon, it seems you're very likely to get re-packaged and possibly counterfeit goods.

Re:Why Amazon is eating the world by htrp on Monday May 15, 2017 @05:54PM (#14345478)
Yep..... as a FBA seller on amazon you have to explicitly specify to not co-mingle inventory.

Look at the do a search for amazon comingling and look at the FBA forums

Re:Why Amazon is eating the world by bobthepanda on Monday May 15, 2017 @01:15PM (#14343270)
I mean, there are plenty of products that you can get at both Amazon and Walmart today, and you could get those at Walmart instantly. Prime just allows you to get that product from Amazon in two days, without worrying about the cost of extra shipping, the hassle of actually getting to a Walmart (traffic, parking, weather, etc.), having to wait for someone to go get it, etc. Amazon just pushes all those unpleasant 'wait' factors to the experience of the deliverer, not the receiver.
Re:Why Amazon is eating the world by mrec on Monday May 15, 2017 @01:53PM (#14343565)
But "the cost of extra shipping" has to be offset against the annual Prime fee, and all the perks you list apply just as much to vanilla (non-Prime) Amazon.

In recent years I've found myself swinging back towards buying things in brick-and-mortar shops, mostly because the delivery experience can be so horrible. Maybe things are better in the US, but in the UK getting things delivered is non-trivial when you work during the day, and even if you're at home, it's very common for UK postmen to not bother even bringing your parcel with them; they just leave a "while you were out" card forcing you to arrange redelivery. Delivery woes of various kinds have been a staple of /r/britishproblems since the start.

Re:Why Amazon is eating the world by RUG3Y on Monday May 15, 2017 @02:53PM (#14344106)
I like to buy big/heavy items from Walmart.com. Buying a full weight set from Amazon would not have free shipping. I can have the heavy stuff sent to any Walmart store for free and go pick it up. And yes, Walmart.com has a huge amount of stuff that isn't sold in their stores.
Re:Why Amazon is eating the world by cbhl on Monday May 15, 2017 @11:32AM (#14342332)
Sometimes I wonder if the story really means, "competitor finally implements feature X, so they can switch away from you to get features Y, Z, and Q, which they've always wanted and you don't provide".
Re:Why Amazon is eating the world by redcalx on Monday May 15, 2017 @12:00PM (#14342601)
For instance, there's at least one courier in the UK that gives you a one hour estimated delivery window and a URL where you can check your delivery's progress live. I find this very useful, mainly because I don't have to sit at home all day waiting.

Amazon don't currently do this where I am; if they did I'd use it a lot more.

Re:Why Amazon is eating the world by cbhl on Monday May 15, 2017 @01:14PM (#14343261)
Amazon's equivalent service is called "Amazon Prime Now". Fewer products, only in select cities, and you can only order with a mobile app (not on the website).
Re:Why Amazon is eating the world by martinald on Tuesday May 16, 2017 @07:32AM (#14348783)
No, it's not the same. What GP is saying is probably DPD, which texts you a tracking link on the day of delivery showing you when your parcel is going to be, and a 'guaranteed' 1hr delivery slot in the AM. So if it's going to be delivered between 6pm-7pm you don't have to sit in the house all day wondering if it is going to arrive.

I'm amazed more couriers don't offer the same service, because it is really good.

Re:Why Amazon is eating the world by redcalx on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @06:16PM (#14405866)
Yeh I was thinking DPD. Seems to have some bad reviews online but I've never had any trouble, the timeslot thing is accurate and is very handy indeed. The key issue IMO is that the buyer of these services (the merchant) doesn't care, and the buyer doesn't get choose the courier service so they there's no feedback signal force other courier to compete on this.
Re:Why Amazon is eating the world by cbhl on Thursday May 18, 2017 @10:20PM (#14372601)
Ah, indeed that is very different. Prime now guarantees a delivery window of 1 hr (for a fee) or 2 hr (free for Prime members), and gives you tracking in the app (not a link), but delivery is same day, and you pick the delivery slot (if one is available).

Honestly, many people don't care exactly when their parcels arrive -- they can order it to work, or their concierge/front desk can hold it, or it can be left at their door/porch. And if you care about this sort of thing, it may be just as economical to move into "luxury" apartments that provide this sort of perk as it is to pay for something like BufferBox that provides a proxy of it.

Re:Why Amazon is eating the world by redcalx on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @06:20PM (#14405897)
> just as economical to move into "luxury" apartments

Come now; choosing where to live is a complex balance of pros and cons for most people, I can't imagine many having this anywhere near their list of priorities.

Re:Why Amazon is eating the world by redm on Monday May 15, 2017 @12:41PM (#14342967)
You're so right but I think this problem has more to do with poor news reporting. For one, people like to read about companies they know, good or bad. Press releases always herald a feature as innovating even if competitors have it. Press companies will practically write the articles for journalists. It's much more time consuming to check the facts or, more importantly, the features of competitors, so why to bother when their goal is to drive impressions.