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Re:Predictions of massive job losses to automation miss data... by oren_thrall on Sunday May 14, 2017 @11:35AM (#14336005)
I think we have yet to see the worst of it for now. But make no mistake, huge sections of jobs are going to evaporate if not by 2019, then in the decade thereafter.

Not just elevator operators and dirigible pilots. A massive chunk of economic activity is going to look silly in a decade. Pretty much everything regarded as a summer job for high school teenagers is game, and that leaves a considerable number of normal, employable adults out in the cold too.

Magazines are pretty much already dead, and everything that went with them shrank. Music and movies have imploded hard enough to show signs of serious stress. Shops, department stores and big box retail are off balance, and will fall over before 2030.

It's going to be pretty rough. Think about your first job, and the summer jobs your high school classmates had. Will your kids hold the same jobs? I doubt it.

Re:Predictions of massive job losses to automation miss data... by dugditches on Sunday May 14, 2017 @01:30PM (#14336498)
One can hope that the next generation of children won't have to hold a 'job' at all.
Re:Predictions of massive job losses to automation miss data... by intended on Monday May 15, 2017 @01:14AM (#14339317)
Not going to happen - unless all jobs disappear at about the same time.

The simple conclusion is that unless you have something to provide in exchange, no one will give you anything in return.

>He (Amartya Sen) presents data that there was an adequate food supply in Bengal at the time, but particular groups of people including rural landless labourers and urban service providers like haircutters did not have the means to buy food as its price rose rapidly due to factors

As long as someone owns the factory or the company, they expect to be paid. Thats not going to go away overnight.

And since robots are not going to be perfect, there will always be jobs that human beings will be employed to do. The employers will in turn expect to get their money's worth for those jobs.

Instead of jobs going away, theres going to be a concentration of wealth in the hands of a few.

Re:Predictions of massive job losses to automation miss data... by dsacco on Sunday May 14, 2017 @12:20PM (#14336200)
I think summer camp jobs will probably still be readily available for teenagers in a decade. Maybe not working at a movie theater or something like that (cashier-intensive jobs), but a lot of jobs with interpersonal interaction will probably stave this off for a while yet.
Re:Predictions of massive job losses to automation miss data... by collyw on Monday May 15, 2017 @09:50AM (#14341539)
> Think about your first job, and the summer jobs your high school classmates had.

Walking a dog - ain't going to be automated any time soon. Filling shelves in a supermarket - I am not aware of any automation on the way for this, though it may be. Whitewater rafting guide - no chance that is getting automated.

Re:Predictions of massive job losses to automation miss data... by z3t4 on Sunday May 14, 2017 @01:44PM (#14336577)
my first couple of jobs would all be easy to automate but it would cost more then $3/hour
Re:Predictions of massive job losses to automation miss data... by Chris2048 on Monday May 15, 2017 @06:58AM (#14340622)
What if employment law advances such to add liabilities to human employment? Then you might get payed $3/hour, but you costs include insurance, losses due to sick-days etc.
Re:Predictions of massive job losses to automation miss data... by jgalt212 on Monday May 15, 2017 @09:34AM (#14341399)
I guess, but you must also consider the upside as well. A human cashier is not just a cashier, but an ad-hoc customer service rep, security guard, market intel gatherer, etc.
Re:Predictions of massive job losses to automation miss data... by Chris2048 on Monday May 15, 2017 @01:35PM (#14343417)
I guess this is the "human touch" argument, whether this actually applies varies; but for "market intel" machines are way better at gathering information.
Re:Predictions of massive job losses to automation miss data... by jgalt212 on Tuesday May 16, 2017 @03:14PM (#14352389)
machines are best at monitoring what other machines are up to. you need to do both.
Re:Predictions of massive job losses to automation miss data... by aetherson on Sunday May 14, 2017 @12:42PM (#14336305)
What is your predicted level of unemployment in the US by 2019, 2024, and 2029?
Re:Predictions of massive job losses to automation miss data... by SomeStupidPoint on Sunday May 14, 2017 @02:08PM (#14336732)
I think this question is more interesting if you talk about underemployment or people who are worse off than their parents at a given age.

Both of those numbers are already creeping up, economically coerced crap jobs aside.

Re:Predictions of massive job losses to automation miss data... by aetherson on Sunday May 14, 2017 @09:29PM (#14338493)
I feel like that's a huge walk-back from a position of "huge sections of jobs will just evaporate." I mean, I realize that you're not the person who said "huge sections of jobs will just evaporate," but I'd like someone who does believe that, not something much milder, to put some numbers to it.
Re:Predictions of massive job losses to automation miss data... by SomeStupidPoint on Sunday May 14, 2017 @11:24PM (#14338936)
I believe huge numbers of certain kinds of jobs will evaporate, particularly whitecollar jobs -- just that the powers that be will implement modern sharecropping to nominally keep "jobs", even while the standard of living massively erodes and the middle class vanishes.

I believe we're already seeing that, with the job markets losing professional jobs but gaining service industry jobs.

I think it's a distraction to talk about employment numbers without talking about the quality of the jobs in question -- sharecroppers and CEOs both have a job, but their lives are radically different.

Re:Predictions of massive job losses to automation miss data... by aetherson on Monday May 15, 2017 @11:39AM (#14342404)
We're probably aged out of this discussion, but in case you're still reading: okay, fine. Provide some kind of quantitative prediction of what you're talking about. If unemployment numbers are the wrong measure, use Gini coefficient or something.