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Re:Noncompete Clauses: Signing Away the Right to Get a New Job by esoterica on Saturday May 13, 2017 @04:51PM (#14332944)
Redlining the non-compete section is not a minor modification. Some companies are very serious about their non-competes. They will pay you millions of dollars to respect them (and sue you for millions of dollars if you don't). If you try and cross out your non compete agreement they will just withdraw your job offer.

Non competes aren't intrinsically shady or evil. Some companies have business models that depend very heavily on secret IP. It's just another adverse factor you have to add into the mix when evaluating a job, along with compensation, work-life balance, advancement opportunities, etc. Many non-competes are very well compensated, and limited in scope to a particular niche industry, so you could still go off and work anywhere else in tech industry where your IP cannot be used against your old employer. Signing one isn't the worst thing in the world.

Re:Noncompete Clauses: Signing Away the Right to Get a New Job by ScottBurson on Saturday May 13, 2017 @05:13PM (#14333059)
First off, noncompete agreements and nondisclosure agreements are separate things. I don't see anyone here arguing that an employer's proprietary IP does not deserve protection.

Secondly, while there do exist well-compensated noncompetes for executives and other high-value employees -- and I don't think anyone here is arguing against those either -- the vast majority are not compensated at all, except that the employee gets the job in the first place.

Re:Noncompete Clauses: Signing Away the Right to Get a New Job by esoterica on Saturday May 13, 2017 @05:31PM (#14333129)
Since you can't lobotomize someone when they quit, it's impossible to prevent someone from using proprietary knowledge and insights at their new job, even with a nondisclosure agreement in place. IP transfer doesn't always happen in a way that's overt and easily prosecutable, like stealing confidential blueprints or explicitly telling your new employer trade secrets.
Re:Noncompete Clauses: Signing Away the Right to Get a New Job by ScottBurson on Saturday May 13, 2017 @05:49PM (#14333203)
Well, I think that in most cases, a fair amount of that knowledge qualifies as general knowledge about the problem space, notwithstanding that employers would like to paint it all as proprietary.

Still, there is a little truth in what you say. But we in California think that that is a price very much worth paying in exchange for the more vibrant economy afforded by outlawing noncompetes.

Re:Noncompete Clauses: Signing Away the Right to Get a New Job by etjossem on Saturday May 13, 2017 @04:53PM (#14332950)
This advice is not meant for people who are being paid millions of dollars to respect a non-compete they fully understand and consent to.
Re:Noncompete Clauses: Signing Away the Right to Get a New Job by esoterica on Saturday May 13, 2017 @05:06PM (#14333022)
Change the numbers by a factor of 10 and the point still applies.
Re:Noncompete Clauses: Signing Away the Right to Get a New Job by etjossem on Saturday May 13, 2017 @05:10PM (#14333047)
I agree. This is aimed at people who:

- Are fairly new to the industry or are otherwise trying to act in a buyer's market for labor,

- Are being offered market-rate or lower with no extra incentives, and

- Have a potential employer trying to foist a noncompete on them for no particular business reason.

Understand the employer's business model and whether noncompete will be a sticking point for them. If it is, then the situation is very different, and you should be asking for lots of money rather than the clause's removal.

Re:Noncompete Clauses: Signing Away the Right to Get a New Job by anarazel on Saturday May 13, 2017 @05:06PM (#14333023)
> Non competes aren't intrinsically shady or evil.

If they're not paying you while you're not allowed to work in your field, yes, they are. And unfortunately that's a lot of them. If you're being paid to sit in your backyard or do something in a another field, that's a different story.