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Re:Cyberattacks in 12 Nations Said to Use Leaked N.S.A. Hack... by betenoire on Friday May 12, 2017 @03:46PM (#14327255)
Humor me... if encryption had a backdoor, then ransomware could be effectively mitigated.... Though I'm not a proponent of backdoors by any means, I don't see the logical flaw here.
Re:Cyberattacks in 12 Nations Said to Use Leaked N.S.A. Hack... by djsumdog on Friday May 12, 2017 @05:08PM (#14327949)
...Because criminals are going to use state-sanctioned encryption software with mandated backdoors?

Even if everything off the shelf and open source has some built-in escrow unlocking keys compiled in, hackers are just going to find those code paths and remove them. Encryption works because of certain mathematical principals and laws.

Backdoors will only let governments look at legitimately encrypted data and not anything made by criminals who know how technology works.

There's a bigger question here: what if the NSA or CIA or some other intelligence/defence organisation discovers a solution to solve some of these hard problems in polynomial time .. and then doesn't release that information so they can use it to spy.

In that situation you're going even further: you have agents who are literally holding back scientific research that could change the entire field of mathematics and human understanding, research that could advance number theory by orders of magnitude (a jump equal to that of going from the first flight Kitty Hawk to the Saturn 5 rocket), for limited political gain.

Re:Cyberattacks in 12 Nations Said to Use Leaked N.S.A. Hack... by betenoire on Friday May 12, 2017 @05:27PM (#14328089)
That makes sense...

So "If encryption had a backdoor" is meaningless. It's really "If a given encryption implementation had a back door" and no one is making the criminals use certain algorithms.

thanks

Re:Cyberattacks in 12 Nations Said to Use Leaked N.S.A. Hack... by pwagland on Friday May 12, 2017 @04:01PM (#14327406)
Well, the bigger problem would be ensuring that the criminals used known broken encryption. The only advantage is that many of these attacks are copy-cat, so if you released the source code for a broken ransomware implementation, it will probably get used more or less verbatim… as has been shown in the past. (https://threatpost.com/bitcrypt-ransomware-deploying-weak-cr..., https://www.utkusen.com/blog/destroying-the-encryption-of-hi...)

Anyone who actually knows what they are doing, and are prepared to break the law, would just use AES. All of those law-abiding institutions would be forced to use a weak encryption scheme.

Sure, it might help stop script kiddies, but it won't help to stop professionals, and professionals are the ones that you have to worry about, since they end up hosing 45,000+ installations in a day.

Re:Cyberattacks in 12 Nations Said to Use Leaked N.S.A. Hack... by jacquesm on Friday May 12, 2017 @04:32PM (#14327660)
If they don't just replace your data outright with noise.
Re:Cyberattacks in 12 Nations Said to Use Leaked N.S.A. Hack... by thomnottom on Friday May 12, 2017 @03:51PM (#14327318)
Assuming that the criminal opts to use the encryption with an NSA backdoor and the victim is able to schedule time at their local NSA Genius Bar to recover their data.
Re:Cyberattacks in 12 Nations Said to Use Leaked N.S.A. Hack... by squeaky-clean on Friday May 12, 2017 @04:27PM (#14327605)
> if encryption had a backdoor

This is the flaw in the logic. "Encryption" can't have a backdoor any more than math can have a back door.

Specific types of encryption can. But there's nothing to stop a malicious user from using a non-backdoored encryption algorithm or inventing their own.

Re:Cyberattacks in 12 Nations Said to Use Leaked N.S.A. Hack... by kmonsen on Friday May 12, 2017 @05:50PM (#14328222)
Yeah, I don't think ransomware is going to use the US approved algorithm. What they are doing is already illegal.
Re:Cyberattacks in 12 Nations Said to Use Leaked N.S.A. Hack... by ajmurmann on Friday May 12, 2017 @03:49PM (#14327300)
So developers of ransomware would build backdoors into their ransomware because the law requires them to?
Re:Cyberattacks in 12 Nations Said to Use Leaked N.S.A. Hack... by bajsejohannes on Friday May 12, 2017 @03:48PM (#14327280)
How would you practically do that? Send all those encrypted hard drives to NSA to be decrypted? Publish the backdoor, effectively rendering that encryption scheme broken?
Re:Cyberattacks in 12 Nations Said to Use Leaked N.S.A. Hack... by asdfgadsfgasfdg on Friday May 12, 2017 @07:08PM (#14328634)
Just ask the NSA to send you the un-encrypted files - they probably have them in their database anyway.
Re:Cyberattacks in 12 Nations Said to Use Leaked N.S.A. Hack... by TehCorwiz on Friday May 12, 2017 @03:51PM (#14327326)
Wouldn't the attackers just use a crypto scheme that didn't have a backdoor?
Re:Cyberattacks in 12 Nations Said to Use Leaked N.S.A. Hack... by winkeltripel on Friday May 12, 2017 @03:54PM (#14327349)
The logic is that encryption without a backdoor already exists, and no law can stop a criminal writing a virus from using that.
Re:Cyberattacks in 12 Nations Said to Use Leaked N.S.A. Hack... by H1Supreme on Friday May 12, 2017 @03:49PM (#14327299)
Then encryption wouldn't be doing what it's set out to do.
Re:Cyberattacks in 12 Nations Said to Use Leaked N.S.A. Hack... by stevefeinstein on Friday May 12, 2017 @04:30PM (#14327637)
The logic is sound in theory. But in practice if the government can't protect its exploits, they mot likely can't protect their keys to the backdoor.
Re:Cyberattacks in 12 Nations Said to Use Leaked N.S.A. Hack... by SimbaOnSteroids on Friday May 12, 2017 @04:41PM (#14327736)
Why would the people reaping the rewards of ransomware use encryption that has backdoors if backdoorless encryption already exists.
Re:Cyberattacks in 12 Nations Said to Use Leaked N.S.A. Hack... by rickdg on Friday May 12, 2017 @04:00PM (#14327404)
It's either turtles all the way down (backdoor of the backdoor of the backdoor..) or you always strive for secure software.
Re:Cyberattacks in 12 Nations Said to Use Leaked N.S.A. Hack... by merpnderp on Friday May 12, 2017 @04:32PM (#14327661)
Why would ransomers use encryption with a back door? It's not like you can force them to only use the crackable math.
Re:Cyberattacks in 12 Nations Said to Use Leaked N.S.A. Hack... by pjc50 on Friday May 12, 2017 @03:56PM (#14327362)
Who has the keys to the backdoor? How do you force the ransomware authors not to use the good encryption?
Re:Cyberattacks in 12 Nations Said to Use Leaked N.S.A. Hack... by mtgx on Friday May 12, 2017 @05:22PM (#14328046)
Only if the bad guys use the NSA-backdoored encryption.