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Re:Bills before the California Legislature would crack down ... by Tempest1981 on Tuesday May 09, 2017 @09:10PM (#14305199)
Some of us just wanted a 3 bedroom house on a 5000 sq ft lot -- so we could have a small yard with room for a dog and BBQ. Maybe a kid playing outside.

Now we're being told we're greedy, and our neighborhoods should be replaced with 3 story townhouses on 1200 sq ft lots. No room for Fido.

Makes me wonder what we're working insane hours for -- to settle for permanent apartment style living. At least we don't have cage houses yet.

Re:Bills before the California Legislature would crack down ... by enf on Tuesday May 09, 2017 @09:46PM (#14305335)
Every person who moves into one of the new townhouses on the 1200 sqft lots is a person who is not outbidding you for the house on the 5000 sqft lot.
Re:Bills before the California Legislature would crack down ... by Tempest1981 on Tuesday May 09, 2017 @11:26PM (#14305701)
Some are proposing state-forced re-zoning, converting residential neighborhoods into multi-family condos. Essentially the eminent domain taking of property. "Your land is too valuable; others need it". Kind of a slap in the face, after working a lifetime to afford a small home.
Re:Bills before the California Legislature would crack down ... by enf on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @12:39AM (#14305946)
Rezoning gives nothing but the right to rebuild your own property as you wish to. No one is being forced to sell.
Re:Bills before the California Legislature would crack down ... by ericd on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @07:22AM (#14307363)
I think it depends on how strict the zoning is. The US has a tendency for relatively strict command economy style exclusive zoning.
Re:Bills before the California Legislature would crack down ... by enf on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @02:40PM (#14310519)
That is still a permission to build, not an obligation to build, no matter how strict the zoning is.
Re:Bills before the California Legislature would crack down ... by Tempest1981 on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @03:57AM (#14306588)
Heavy down votes, wow. Did I offend someone?
Re:Bills before the California Legislature would crack down ... by Eric_WVGG on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @08:17AM (#14307577)
I didn't downvote you, and I'm not offended, but I sure as hell rolled my eyes at your comment.

Nobody in a city deserves their own yard. Public parks where everyone can BBQ make far more sense. Want a dog? Move to Montana, or get a housecat instead.

You seem to want sprawl; cities need density.

Re:Bills before the California Legislature would crack down ... by Tempest1981 on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @10:44AM (#14308573)
Thanks. But what are we defining as cities? Are suburbs included? Where are suburbs allowed to remain, as we force zoning shifts to high density?

The YIMBY movement is strong throughout the Penninsula, between SF to San Jose -- areas previously considered suburbs.

Clearly a 5000 sq ft lot is unacceptable in SF, but where _is_ it acceptable? San Bruno? Menlo Park? Mountain View? Sunnyvale? Pleasanton? Oakland? And for how long?

The article is talking about State laws. Presumably they would apply to all cities, not just SF.

Re:Bills before the California Legislature would crack down ... by mywittyname on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @06:27PM (#14312308)
Cities area already defined. Yes suburbs are included. They should allowed to remain as long as it's economically viable to do so.

If you're neighbors want to sell for $10MM each to a developer who wants to build an apartment, they should be allowed to. If your other neighbor wants to tear down their house and build a duplex and rent the other out, they should be allowed to. If you want to keep your dog and bbq, you should be allowed to.

The general idea is to allow people the ability to extract the wealth from their property. It's possible that they are "drinking your milkshake" by extracting wealth from surrounding properties too. But everyone was given the same opportunity.

Re:Bills before the California Legislature would crack down ... by tehlike on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @10:39AM (#14308531)
The problem exists in the suburbs, too. Everywhere from San Bruno down to santa clara.
Re:Bills before the California Legislature would crack down ... by ChefDenominator on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @09:23AM (#14307913)
You are twisting what people want to do. I don't think the goal is to force people out of the homes they own, but to allow property owners to build on the property what the property owner wants to build. If that ends up being a condo or apartment complex where there used to be houses, that is the choice of the property owner.