The great British Brexit robbery

Re:The great British Brexit robbery by loblollyboy on Sunday May 07, 2017 @06:39AM (#14284801)

Yeah and it backfired on them. Trump's victory was first and foremost a reaction to heavy-handed pushing of neo-liberal agenda (sorry for sounding super-breitbarty there). Basically, the Soros', Clintons, etc. of this world need to be a little more delicate, a little less arrogant and a little less compromised. Macron is idealogically == Clintons, but he will win (against a stronger candidate) b/c he doesn't have dirty laundry and (this is a guess, as I don't speak French), French mass media hasn't yet transformed into some sort of strange orwellian-buzzfeed hybrid.

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Re:The great British Brexit robbery by pas on Sunday May 07, 2017 @07:21AM (#14284910)

That's the ultimate myth, that somehow "liberal" agenda was pushed too arrogantly, too hard. No, it's exactly the opposite of that, it's the case of the cornered boar.

Millions of people decided they know better than facts. That's it.

- bring back jobs (won't happen, because automation and simply too high cost of living in USA)

- climate change is a Chinese hoax (coal ash is killing folks in the USA, and they have the largest healthcare-financing problem)

- illegal immigrants, Mexico wall (ineffective and immigrants are net payers, since they pay taxes, but don't receive any support)

- sex ed, planned parenthood, contraceptions (again, costs of teen pregnancies are hurting them the most)

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Re:The great British Brexit robbery by gribbly on Sunday May 07, 2017 @09:55AM (#14285458)

>Millions of people decided they know better than facts. That's it.

I don't think people voted for Trump because they think he was spouting facts (when did facts ever factor in a US election ?).

I think they voted for him because they felt that between him and Hillary it was a bad choice either way, so why not go with the 'new kid on the block' this time around.

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Re:The great British Brexit robbery by gaius on Sunday May 07, 2017 @08:35AM (#14285131)

bring back jobs (won't happen, because automation and simply too high cost of living in USA)

US/Mexico trade balance pre/post NAFTA? If you go by the numbers alone, it's pretty clear-cut. Unless you know better than the facts of course...

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Re:The great British Brexit robbery by pas on Sunday May 07, 2017 @08:58AM (#14285237)

Trade balance alone is meaningless. The US is a much wealthier country/nation/state than Mexico, of course if barriers to trade are lowered people will import more from the cheaper side. This helps Mexico's developing economy.

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Re:The great British Brexit robbery by gaius on Sunday May 07, 2017 @10:05AM (#14285500)

Helping a developing economy is a laudable goal sure, the political question is whether it is enough to be worth inflicting costs on your own voters. Some of said voters will say yes of course, generally those will be the ones benefiting from cheaper products/labour, and not those who have been undercut.

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Re:The great British Brexit robbery by pas on Sunday May 07, 2017 @08:56AM (#14285222)

The current economics model for automation is Skill-biased technological change. That means that new technology is not a universal production multiplier, it needs people who can wield it, they need to have certain skills. But those who have will be a lot more productive than those who are without this combination of skill and technology. Hence the enormous demand for high-skilled workers. Which means slowly disappearing demand for unskilled workers. No, it doesn't necessarily mean the total number of jobs is shrinking, but people need to possess more and more complex skills. (And of course there's the problem of rising income inequality, capital and wealth concentration, and so on.)

> climate

Manufacturing moved because wages, not because environmental regulations.

And of course China has benefitted.

The US was too generous, reciprocity was missing in capital transfer options.

> ...

I support an open borders policy. Especially in case of the US, where being a resident doesn't give you any support automatically (as opposed to let's say Nordic countries).

I don't "support" illegal immigration. I support helping people getting out of illegality.

I respect the need for security, and I want others to respect my need for real security, not security theater.

> ...

Teen pregnancies are not a solution. It's a spiral of poverty and misery. And yes, there are multiple groups, millions of people for banning contraception. Making it impossible to buy.

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