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Re:The hijacking flaw that lurked in Intel chips is worse th... by lima on Sunday May 07, 2017 @03:12AM (#14284280)
I disagree with the article. If anything, it's much less severe than many people thought.

- It's a logic bug (authentication bypass) instead of a memory corruption. An authentication bypass is bad, but a full compromise would have been much worse.

- It's a bug in the opt-in AMT management, which means that the default config is not vulnerable.

Re:The hijacking flaw that lurked in Intel chips is worse th... by tyingq on Sunday May 07, 2017 @10:58AM (#14285753)
>"much less severe than many people thought"

I don't think so. There's a second bug that allows local non-privileged users to provision AMT.

And, once it's up and running, you have a full remote KVM where you can boot recovery disks, edit the local files then reboot, etc.

Having AMT on isn't that unusual either. It's not the default, but lots of people use it. I know some digital signage units using NUCS have it on, for example. Also, some large company data centers use it instead of IPMI. The ports aren't exposed to the internet, but if hackers get inside a different way, they are off to the races.

Re:The hijacking flaw that lurked in Intel chips is worse th... by theophrastus on Sunday May 07, 2017 @12:58PM (#14286306)
"Having AMT on isn't that unusual either. It's not the default"

AMT is on by default in at least a number of the popular thinkpad series[1] (i'm the only owner of a relatively old thinkpad, and only because of this security alert i checked and it was on; never haven't turned it on myself)

[1] https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Security-Malware/Intel-AMT-back...

Re:The hijacking flaw that lurked in Intel chips is worse th... by lightedman on Sunday May 07, 2017 @03:20AM (#14284294)
"An authentication bypass is bad, but a full compromise would have been much worse."

Given the authentication bypass essentially leads to full compromise, where's the difference, here?

Re:The hijacking flaw that lurked in Intel chips is worse th... by qb45 on Sunday May 07, 2017 @03:57AM (#14284382)
The difference is, you are no longer limited to functionality normally provided by AMT. Maybe AMT doesn't offer the ability to download arbitrary memory locations from the running OS and applications, with remote code execution on the ME you could do that. You could modify code running on the CPU on-the-fly and make it read files from disk to memory for downloading too - again, I don't think AMT can read disks, especially when the OS is running and using them concurrently.
Re:The hijacking flaw that lurked in Intel chips is worse th... by lima on Sunday May 07, 2017 @06:52AM (#14284839)
Exactly, AMT is essentially a remote console without any sort of direct access to the running system. You'd have to reboot the system with a remotely recovery media in order to compromise it.
Re:The hijacking flaw that lurked in Intel chips is worse th... by tyingq on Sunday May 07, 2017 @10:21AM (#14285583)
You can boot a recovery image though, and edit files on the installed OS that way.
Re:The hijacking flaw that lurked in Intel chips is worse th... by qb45 on Sunday May 07, 2017 @11:12AM (#14285819)
It just isn't quite as stealthy if you have to power up the box when it's supposed to be off.

I mean, not everybody runs Windows 10 and is used to his machine having a free will of its own ;)

Re:The hijacking flaw that lurked in Intel chips is worse th... by dom0 on Sunday May 07, 2017 @03:27AM (#14284312)
The ME itself is not compromised.

Arbitrary code execution on the ME would mean total control of the host, i.e. privileges above any software you can run on a computer.

Re:The hijacking flaw that lurked in Intel chips is worse th... by tyingq on Sunday May 07, 2017 @10:23AM (#14285592)
AMT offers basically IPMI though. Boot a recovery image over the net, mount the local drive, and edit away.
Re:The hijacking flaw that lurked in Intel chips is worse th... by kogepathic on Sunday May 07, 2017 @04:12AM (#14284412)
> would mean total control of the host, i.e. privileges above any software you can run on a computer.

You don't need arbitrary code execution, the ME already has privileges above any software you can run on the computer. The ME operates in ring -2 mode [0], whereas the OS kernel has at most ring 0 privileges.

With the built-in ME functionality you can: reboot the host, change BIOS settings, re-install the OS, update BIOS (boot FreeDOS & run the vendor utility).

Couple this with a vendor vulnerability such as not signing and verifying a BIOS before flashing, and you can easily use the ME to flash a BIOS with malicious components to the computer.

So, yes, it's not as bad as using the ME to read arbitrary memory regions while the host is on, but the default ME functionality for remote management is still enough for a malicious actor to cause a lot of harm.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Management_Mode

Re:The hijacking flaw that lurked in Intel chips is worse th... by pritambaral on Sunday May 07, 2017 @05:05AM (#14284550)
> ring -2 mode

ME runs below the SMM. So ring -3 or lower.

Re:The hijacking flaw that lurked in Intel chips is worse th... by qb45 on Sunday May 07, 2017 @05:17AM (#14284585)
ME is a separate processor, not a "ring" on the x86.

All this talk about "privilege level above normal software" and "ring -7" just muddies the water. It simply is a physically separate core running its own software which has access to all RAM and all PCIe devices and can program the Intel NIC to silently redirect selected packets away from the x86 cores to itself.

Re:The hijacking flaw that lurked in Intel chips is worse th... by deathhand on Sunday May 07, 2017 @08:12AM (#14285060)
The bug is not 'opt-in'. If you need a processor with TPM then it will have AMT. The only question is if the vulenarability is local or accessible online.
Re:The hijacking flaw that lurked in Intel chips is worse th... by lima on Sunday May 07, 2017 @10:15AM (#14285554)
Sure, but AMT is off by default. How would you exploit it locally if it's not enabled?
Re:The hijacking flaw that lurked in Intel chips is worse th... by tyingq on Sunday May 07, 2017 @10:19AM (#14285573)
There's a second bug that allows local, non root users to provision AMT.