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Re:The Patek Philippe Caliber 89 and Horology’s Easter Problem by criddell on Friday May 05, 2017 @10:42AM (#14273768)
The idea of this watch is confounding.

Presumably, a person that is interested in having their watch tell them what day Easter falls on would be a follower of and believer in Jesus. From what I know about Jesus, he probably wouldn't be impressed by somebody spending millions of dollars on this.

What watch would Jesus wear?

Or maybe I'm looking at it wrong. Maybe it's just a great piece of art in the form of a clock.

Re:The Patek Philippe Caliber 89 and Horology’s Easter Problem by garethsprice on Friday May 05, 2017 @10:52AM (#14273837)
It's a show-off piece by master craftsmen at the pinnacle of engineering.

Patek does not make these pieces to make a profit, but to position themselves at the top of the pile when it comes to engineering as their customers want "the best", and are willing to pay a huge markup for it over "the next best".

It sounds crass to call such a beautiful thing "marketing", but it is - these show-off pieces are what sells the rest of the line (cheap at $20k starting price).

Re:The Patek Philippe Caliber 89 and Horology’s Easter Problem by dghughes on Friday May 05, 2017 @12:31PM (#14274673)
And Patek-Philippe won't even sell their million dollar watches to just anyone you have to own previous Patek-Philippe watches.

It makes me laugh it sounds so silly.

I want to buy that Apple computer?

Do you own an Apple computer?

No.

Sorry I can only sell you an Apple product if you already own one.

Re:The Patek Philippe Caliber 89 and Horology’s Easter Problem by handedness on Friday May 05, 2017 @02:03PM (#14275485)
You're comparing something with unit sales in the millions to something more in the range of several-to-hundreds.

While Patek is probably among the worst offenders in that regard, a very reasonable consideration is that the stratospherically high-end watches are supply-constrained (partly due to there being so few people in the world capable of making them–I'm not taking about your $5K Rolex or even your $25K Patek, but the most complicated and finely-finished ones that can take a watchmaker months to years to produce just one example), and it's reasonable to sell them to known individuals who aren't just buying to immediately flip them at auction.

It also makes sense to reward those most loyal to the brand rather than allow something to be bought by the nouveau riche who will quickly move on to the next flavor of the month. That's how you alienate lifelong customers.

Re:The Patek Philippe Caliber 89 and Horology’s Easter Problem by BrandonMarc on Friday May 05, 2017 @03:08PM (#14276017)
Lamborghini has a similar policy ... there is a certain model of Lamborghini which is built entirely by hand, and they will only sell you one if you already own one of their other models.

Or so I've been told, anyway. For all I know it's an urban legend.

Re:The Patek Philippe Caliber 89 and Horology’s Easter Problem by lpaone on Friday May 05, 2017 @06:35PM (#14277305)
I think you are talking about Ferrari, and they do that with all of their "signature" cars.
Re:The Patek Philippe Caliber 89 and Horology’s Easter Problem by dghughes on Saturday May 06, 2017 @11:16AM (#14280595)
Coming soon the Apple Signature Series.
Re:The Patek Philippe Caliber 89 and Horology’s Easter Problem by GregBuchholz on Friday May 05, 2017 @01:31PM (#14275192)
I suppose one could see it as a devotion of sorts:

"While he was in Bethany, reclining at the table in the home of Simon the Leper, a woman came with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, made of pure nard. She broke the jar and poured the perfume on his head. Some of those present were saying indignantly to one another, “Why this waste of perfume? It could have been sold for more than a year’s wages and the money given to the poor.” And they rebuked her harshly. “Leave her alone,” said Jesus. “Why are you bothering her? She has done a beautiful thing to me. The poor you will always have with you, and you can help them any time you want. But you will not always have me. She did what she could. She poured perfume on my body beforehand to prepare for my burial. Truly I tell you, wherever the gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her.”"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anointing_of_Jesus

...And we're now talking about Jesus on site where he is not normally discussed. As a method of spreading the gospel, you could certainly think of less effective methods.

Re:The Patek Philippe Caliber 89 and Horology’s Easter Problem by DanAndersen on Friday May 05, 2017 @12:38PM (#14274742)
Recognize that one's conception of Jesus/God/the divine is not necessarily universal. In modern times there is a heavy popular focus on Jesus as "socialist" (understand that I mean this term in a completely neutral sense, not as a slur), paying special attention to welfare for the poor and eschewing trappings of richness or ornamentation. The rise of liberation theology is also intertwined with this.

Such approaches are of course not only modern, but it's good to recognize the other facets through which Christian believers have viewed Christ, such as the idea of "Christ as King" or "Christ as Warrior." The long history of, say, the Vatican's art and riches need not be snarkily dismissed as mere hypocrisy but also another dimension through which people saw their connection with and reverence for the divine.

Of particular interest to this article is the idea of "God as mathematician" or "God as watchmaker," which was something held by intellectuals around the time of Newton. The focus on craftsmanship in a timekeeper has a certain applicability.

Re:The Patek Philippe Caliber 89 and Horology’s Easter Problem by semi-extrinsic on Friday May 05, 2017 @11:00AM (#14273913)
> What watch would Jesus wear?

A Casio F91-W. Durable, water resistant, stopwatch, alarm, calendar, timer ++. Cost: $6.68. Best selling watch on Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/Casio-F91W-1-Classic-Resin-Digital/dp...

Re:The Patek Philippe Caliber 89 and Horology’s Easter Problem by geofft on Friday May 05, 2017 @01:34PM (#14275221)
This is the watch that terrorists are supposed to wear, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casio_F-91W#Claimed_use_in_ter...

Appropriate, I think, for someone killed by an empire on fabricated claims of leading an insurrection.

Re:The Patek Philippe Caliber 89 and Horology’s Easter Problem by jameshart on Friday May 05, 2017 @12:14PM (#14274542)
Why would he need it to be water resistant?
Re:The Patek Philippe Caliber 89 and Horology’s Easter Problem by GregBuchholz on Friday May 05, 2017 @01:42PM (#14275300)
"At that time Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan. Just as Jesus was coming up out of the water, he saw heaven being torn open and the Spirit descending on him like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.” "

http://www.biblestudytools.com/mark/passage/?q=mark+1:9-11

...and...

https://www.google.com/search?q=jesus+helping+peter&tbm=isch...

...so maybe just water / splash resistance, and not a dive watch / water proof.

Re:The Patek Philippe Caliber 89 and Horology’s Easter Problem by criddell on Friday May 05, 2017 @12:19PM (#14274583)
I hate to post a spoiler here, but near the end Jesus has something happen to his hand (or maybe it's his wrist) and there's a good chance he'd get blood on his Casio.
Re:The Patek Philippe Caliber 89 and Horology’s Easter Problem by semi-extrinsic on Friday May 05, 2017 @12:57PM (#14274901)
While he may well have had a Jesus number [1] Je >> 1, he would still be wet from e.g. splashing waves.

[1] The Jesus number is a dimensionless number in fluid mechanics; it is the inverse of the more commonly used Eötvös number, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eötvös_number

Re:The Patek Philippe Caliber 89 and Horology’s Easter Problem by triangleman on Friday May 05, 2017 @12:10PM (#14274496)
He'd never get through airport security wearing that.
Re:The Patek Philippe Caliber 89 and Horology’s Easter Problem by funkaster on Friday May 05, 2017 @12:39PM (#14274746)
As a dark middle Eastern, with known troubles with the law, he might not pass airport security no matter what.
Re:The Patek Philippe Caliber 89 and Horology’s Easter Problem by ksherlock on Friday May 05, 2017 @11:23AM (#14274099)
I think you misunderstand watch people.

addendum: Rolex sells around 1 million watches per year (they don't release numbers). Maybe 100-200,000 are Submariner diver watches which are, of course, water resistant and have a one-way bezel designed to track how much time until you need to surface. Most of those will not used by professional or even amateur divers. Most will never see a drop of water.

Re:The Patek Philippe Caliber 89 and Horology’s Easter Problem by criddell on Friday May 05, 2017 @12:01PM (#14274421)
No, I do realize that. Mechanical watches aren't very good from a function perspective, they are all about form. They're jewelry.

I'm trying to decide between a Junghans Max Bill and a Nomos Orion right now. I like the Max Bill because it's quartz, but it has a date window which I don't want. The Orion has no date window, but it's mechanical.

My current watch is a Seiko 5 and it's both mechanical and has a date window. I'm tired of always needing to set it.

Re:The Patek Philippe Caliber 89 and Horology’s Easter Problem by swah on Friday May 05, 2017 @01:58PM (#14275441)
Resale value will probably be much better for the Nomos, though. Automatic, newish brand, widely respectable.
Re:The Patek Philippe Caliber 89 and Horology’s Easter Problem by criddell on Friday May 05, 2017 @02:53PM (#14275907)
I have no problem sacrificing resale value if it means the ownership experience is better.
Re:The Patek Philippe Caliber 89 and Horology’s Easter Problem by swah on Friday May 05, 2017 @04:23PM (#14276562)
Re:The Patek Philippe Caliber 89 and Horology’s Easter Problem by criddell on Friday May 05, 2017 @06:18PM (#14277209)
Both of those have date windows.

I want quartz accuracy and durability (mechanical watches aren't very accurate, they are relatively fragile, and require periodic maintenance). I don't want a date complication because they are often ugly and unless it's a perpetual calendar, needs to be reset occasionally.

Re:The Patek Philippe Caliber 89 and Horology’s Easter Problem by nailer on Friday May 05, 2017 @10:51AM (#14273833)
Christians generally don't follow Jesus' teachings literally. Selflessness is an ideal rather than a way of life.
Re:The Patek Philippe Caliber 89 and Horology’s Easter Problem by Grue3 on Friday May 05, 2017 @11:42AM (#14274245)
The head of Russian Orthodox church is quite fond of expensive watches. [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarch_Kirill_of_Moscow#The...

Re:The Patek Philippe Caliber 89 and Horology’s Easter Problem by wyager on Friday May 05, 2017 @11:39AM (#14274216)
Jesus probably wouldn't have been a master watchmaker. He gave up on the whole carpentry thing pretty early, so he probably would have dropped out of his MechE undergrad or got fed up with his job pretty early and joined a hippie commune.
Re:The Patek Philippe Caliber 89 and Horology’s Easter Problem by LeoPanthera on Friday May 05, 2017 @09:35PM (#14278172)
The pope wears a $5 Casio. Just as a point of interest.
Re:The Patek Philippe Caliber 89 and Horology’s Easter Problem by gaius on Sunday May 07, 2017 @07:51AM (#14284998)
And a giant gold hat. If he's making a point with his choice of watch, it's a mixed one.