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Re:Why public lands must remain in public hands by fiatjaf on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @09:52AM (#14255593)
Public is different (or should be) from State-owned.

A land is not public anymore if the State owns it. Even though the State claims to be a "public" institution, owned by everyone, it is not, it is a separate organization that works with certain bizarre democratic rules, but still a separate organization, much like a "public" company.

Re:Why public lands must remain in public hands by im2nguyen on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @10:06AM (#14255721)
Then what's your definition of "public"?
Re:Why public lands must remain in public hands by fiatjaf on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @10:30AM (#14255942)
Land not owned by anyone.
Re:Why public lands must remain in public hands by Qwertious on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @11:26AM (#14256499)
Land not owned by anyone is land that can be claimed by anyone. Which means that anyone can build a hut there and then legally claim the land as their own private property.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_nullius

Re:Why public lands must remain in public hands by fiatjaf on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @01:50PM (#14258259)
Maybe in your crazy legal system.
Re:Why public lands must remain in public hands by s73ver on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @12:30PM (#14257315)
Then what's to stop me from plopping an oil well on it?
Re:Why public lands must remain in public hands by jpttsn on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @11:46PM (#14262298)
Let us know if you find it.
Re:Why public lands must remain in public hands by ajmurmann on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @10:15AM (#14255819)
What do you suggest how we organize ourselves as the people other than through a government?
Re:Why public lands must remain in public hands by fiatjaf on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @10:35AM (#14255985)
How do you organize your family "as the family"? How do you organize your company "as the company"? How do we organize ourselves in this website "as the HN commenters"?

When you say "as the people" it seems to imply that "we" ought to have some general agreement between all residents of this arbitrary territory limits known as the US.

Re:Why public lands must remain in public hands by ajmurmann on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @04:02PM (#14259488)
Yes we have that agreement. It's our constitution and laws that build on it. In fact your company and even your family build on that. Your company is in essence a giant pile of paperwork that make up the agreements the company is build on. Your family is not as different as you might think. Beyond the sentimental part there are again contracts and laws that make you a family and you either implicitly or often explicitly agree on then. The commonty of people living in the US and your state even dictate what "family" even means.

When I was much younger I was appalled by this and tried to refuse to accept this, but that's how it is. Otherwise as soon as things get hard everything falls apart. It also helps us beat the tragedy of the commons and make collective decisions more effectively. It's not ideal and there is lots of room for improvement, but there general approach works works pretty well and is at the heart of every society I know of. Sometimes it's more explicit than at others.

Re:Why public lands must remain in public hands by unethical_ban on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @10:57AM (#14256204)
>When you say "as the people" it seems to imply that "we" ought to have some general agreement between all residents of this arbitrary territory limits known as the US.

Yes, we should. It's odd in this day that I can't tell if you're a radical liberal NWO kind of person, or a college libertarian feeling out the philosophy of border ethics.

Re:Why public lands must remain in public hands by jpttsn on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @11:45PM (#14262292)
Horseshoe theory
Re:Why public lands must remain in public hands by mason240 on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @12:26PM (#14257273)
That sounds like a great arrangement, as long as I get to be be patriarch, the boss, or the moderator who has dictatorial authority over who stays and who goes, and what the rules are.

Sound good?

Re:Why public lands must remain in public hands by fiatjaf on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @01:51PM (#14258268)
Is your family like that? Sorry.
Re:Why public lands must remain in public hands by mcguire on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @11:26PM (#14262200)
Your family or employer isn't? Your internet forum... oh, wait...