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Re:Why public lands must remain in public hands by bsder on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @02:23AM (#14253476)
It's hard to feel sorry for people who want public lands to be accessible but who, as a bloc, keep voting for politicians who want to privatize everything.
Re:Why public lands must remain in public hands by twobyfour on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @05:52AM (#14254271)
I assume that part of the problem is that we don't have politicians with whom these people agree on most topics other than privatization who also don't want to privatize everything. When you have a binary choice of politicians in a multidimensional space, you're likely to have to elect someone with whom you disagree on a lot of things.
Re:Why public lands must remain in public hands by bsder on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @06:55PM (#14260957)
Then perhaps privatization is more important than they thought, no? And perhaps maybe that should be their single issue until they dislodge their representation?

The problem is that these same jerks aren't against privatizing YOUR stuff; they're just against privatizing THEIR stuff.

This is a common theme among the right wing of the US political system right now.

Re:Why public lands must remain in public hands by zanny on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @10:09AM (#14255748)
If everyone agreed on this universally, why is nothing being done about it? You would find candidates who do the single-issue thing on reforming the electoral system and you elect them, because you know in advance nothing else matters until you have actual representation.
Re:Why public lands must remain in public hands by blowski on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @02:33AM (#14253505)
You can vote for a party and still disagree with some of their policies.
Re:Why public lands must remain in public hands by cryptarch on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @03:16AM (#14253670)
You can vote for one of two near-identical parties but the vote will be decided by Facebook.
Re:Why public lands must remain in public hands by nosuchthing on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @03:58AM (#14253824)
You can exert some effort to solve the two party system by getting your state to implement ranked choice voting.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/03/us/maine-ranked-choice-vo...

Re:Why public lands must remain in public hands by flyingfences on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @09:03AM (#14255269)
There will be resistance, though. Here in Maine we passed RCV via a referendum, but the legislature is still pushing back and trying to find ways to prevent the change from coming into effect.
Re:Why public lands must remain in public hands by cryptarch on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @07:29AM (#14254769)
I'm Dutch, so no. Discourse is the only tool I know I have here.

The reason I'm invested in the U.S. political system is that it produces something resembling international jurisprudence ("if the U.S. is doing it, we should too!"), because it influences our policies through trade agreements and the U.N., and because many U.S. companies are very influential internationally.

That, and Trump's climate policies affect every conscious being on Earth.

Re:Why public lands must remain in public hands by sirlatrom on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @06:19AM (#14254407)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow%27s_impossibility_theo... "Although Arrow's theorem is a mathematical result, it is often expressed in a non-mathematical way with a statement such as no voting method is fair, every ranked voting method is flawed, or the only voting method that isn't flawed is a dictatorship."
Re:Why public lands must remain in public hands by wtallis on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @06:26AM (#14254437)
That theorem says that no voting system is perfect, for a certain definition of perfect. It does not say that all voting systems are equally bad.
Re:Why public lands must remain in public hands by tradersam on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @03:20AM (#14253688)
Sad but true for most Americans.
Re:Why public lands must remain in public hands by Glyptodon on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @12:26PM (#14257274)
It doesn't take rocket science to realize that the reason our politicians are so unpopular and that faith in our institutions quite low is because the people you refer to have no legitimate representation. Maybe they want hunting and public lands, but one "side" clearly wants guns and hunting to go, while the other "side" clearly wants to sell off public land. The key thing to realize is that "lesser of two evils" really is a choice between evils, and that until people can feel that they have a choice between "the most decent of two goods" things are just going to get more and more wild.
Re:Why public lands must remain in public hands by JustSomeNobody on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @08:11AM (#14254992)
I am quite sure there is no such thing as a politician with whom everyone agrees.

It is all about compromise.

Re:Why public lands must remain in public hands by Qwertious on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @11:22AM (#14256456)
Agreement with politicians is not a binary, and what we're trying to do is maximise the agreement between the most people and the most politicians.

In fact, when designing a good voting system, we're literally trying to minimise the amount of compromising that voters have to do, when voting for their representative.