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Re:Angie's List Acquired for $500M by IAC by narrator on Monday May 01, 2017 @07:50PM (#14242834)
I think this is why TripAdvisor is better, in my experience, for restaurants than Yelp. If I'm not mistaken, TripAdvisor makes most of its money off of hotel booking referrals.
Re:Angie's List Acquired for $500M by IAC by nunez on Monday May 01, 2017 @10:17PM (#14243493)
ANYTHING is better than Yelp. It literally does everything in the book to get you to download the app (to collect your user data, presumably) and is literally designed from the ground up to promote businesses that pay them to be higher on the index.

Their sales tactics are borderline abusive, too. They will hunt you down forever until you sign a package with them, and they give you zero time to think about whether their ad package (which only works on their site and has a super high CPC compared to AdWords) is right for your business.

They need to go away

Re:Angie's List Acquired for $500M by IAC by timr on Monday May 01, 2017 @11:19PM (#14243712)
"and is literally designed from the ground up to promote businesses that pay them to be higher on the index."

This is false. Source: I worked there, on search. You cannot pay to rank higher in search.

Re:Angie's List Acquired for $500M by IAC by amarghose on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @04:30AM (#14244845)
This might be true technically but it's common knowledge that not paying will negatively affect perfectly good reviews. To the point that reviews that were ok while we paid aren't the instant we stop.

You can argue whatever you want about your former employers but convincing SBOs that Yelp aren't extortionist scumbags based on this detail is not going to fly.

Source: I work directly with maid services and trust in Yelp is at an all time low. Literally the first comment when they are mentioned in our private group is something along the lines of "Die in a grease fire" or "F*ck Yelp". And this is from some of the nicest ladies (mostly) that you'll meet.

Re:Angie's List Acquired for $500M by IAC by timr on Saturday May 06, 2017 @12:47AM (#14278725)
"it's common knowledge that not paying will negatively affect perfectly good reviews"

No, it's a common rumor. Repeating rumors does not make them true, and this "knowledge" is completely false.

I have no financial or business interest in Yelp. I just don't enjoy seeing my own work, and the work of my colleagues, disparaged by completely unsubstantiated rumor mongering.

Re:Angie's List Acquired for $500M by IAC by iscrewyou on Monday May 01, 2017 @11:52PM (#14243838)
Would I be in the wrong to call this a "canary"? As in you cannot pay to rank higher in search. But you can pay to have more exposure, better reviews, hidden bad reviews, etc.
Re:Angie's List Acquired for $500M by IAC by raspasov on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @02:24AM (#14244350)
Isn't that like... Google? (more exposure part)
Re:Angie's List Acquired for $500M by IAC by yelpisascam on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @02:37PM (#14249235)
Except for the fact that you can be at the top of all search results by purchasing an ad. (SOURCE: Opened yelp in browser on mobile amd searched for coffee in SF)

Yelp is also terrible for owners who purchase a business and are strong armed into doing business with yelp on order to remove all the previous bad ratings, description, contact info, etc. (Source: bought 1 bar in LA and 2 in LV)

Re:Angie's List Acquired for $500M by IAC by nunez on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @04:07PM (#14250098)
in search being the keyword

ads from paying businesses list higher than search results; this effectively means you pay to be "indexed" higher

Re:Angie's List Acquired for $500M by IAC by timr on Saturday May 06, 2017 @12:57AM (#14278744)
no, it doesn't. it means that ads appear on search pages. just like every other search engine on the internet.
Re:Angie's List Acquired for $500M by IAC by Spooky23 on Monday May 01, 2017 @10:19PM (#14243497)
The audiences are a little different. TripAdvisor is easier to game, I find it a good guide, but there are definitely false positives. TA is very accurate for shitty restaurants.

Yelp is weird because when it's good, the reviews are great and super insightful. But you don't necessarily get a great picture of the area. (My typical use case I showing up in randomtown, USA for 24-48 hours.)

Re:Angie's List Acquired for $500M by IAC by covercash on Monday May 01, 2017 @08:20PM (#14242988)
Foursquare is my secret weapon whenever I need to impress with restaurant selection.
Re:Angie's List Acquired for $500M by IAC by jrnichols on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @01:11AM (#14244100)
Foursquare was my favorite app ever, until they split it up into 4sq and swarm. then it became totally useless to me, and all of my friends slowly stopped using it. :/
Re:Angie's List Acquired for $500M by IAC by rexf on Monday May 01, 2017 @10:01PM (#14243435)
I use 4sq & Swarm a bunch.

4sq's venue ratings is hit or miss. I've definitely found some good places to eat at (that I would've otherwise not found), but I've also eaten at a ton of places that are highly rated but nothing special. For the latter, perhaps they are good relative to the immediate area, but not really that good.

Re:Angie's List Acquired for $500M by IAC by tedmiston on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @12:09AM (#14243896)
Big fan of their SMS bot Marsbot as well if you haven't tried it yet. For some reason it's very low key and they don't promote it at all, but it's a pretty sweet product.

https://marsbotapp.com/

Re:Angie's List Acquired for $500M by IAC by laverick on Monday May 01, 2017 @10:10PM (#14243469)
Same. Has worked well all over the world for me, small towns notwithstanding.
Re:Angie's List Acquired for $500M by IAC by tmaly on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @07:54AM (#14245598)
I am just working on my own solution for myself, I gave up on foursquare and yelp.
Re:Angie's List Acquired for $500M by IAC by tedmiston on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @12:07AM (#14243892)
TripAdvisor recommendations get dated fast and are only for a niche audience. In my experience they tend to stick to the most popular places rather than the best places, and they miss a lot of local spots / dive-y spots / places that families wouldn't go etc.

In cities like SF, NYC, etc, I've had much better luck with recommendations from Foursquare and Yelp. Especially with new places.

Re:Angie's List Acquired for $500M by IAC by crazypyro on Monday May 01, 2017 @09:30PM (#14243313)
TripAdvisor does the same thing, businesses can even pay to "favorite" reviews which makes them appear at the top.
Re:Angie's List Acquired for $500M by IAC by sanj on Monday May 01, 2017 @10:05PM (#14243452)
Those reviews are clearly labelled as such.
Re:Angie's List Acquired for $500M by IAC by tedmiston on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @12:12AM (#14243905)
> TripAdvisor makes most of its money off of hotel booking referrals

Somewhat surprisingly this is the case for a lot of travel POI type sites (hotel referral commission rates are so high). Even a site like Kayak gets a significant portion of its revenue from hotel bookings.

Re:Angie's List Acquired for $500M by IAC by throwawaylalala on Monday May 01, 2017 @08:27PM (#14243026)
I'm pretty sure TA does the same...
Re:Angie's List Acquired for $500M by IAC by exta on Monday May 01, 2017 @11:20PM (#14243718)
It does not! At least it did not 8 years ago when I worked there. Obviously a lot can change, but they realized the one competitive advantage they had that kept others out of the market was the huge catalog of user reviews.

While other things may be fudged for profitability, there was a clear line between content and advertising we didn't cross.

There are quite a few TA people on HN. Maybe one will chime in?

Re:Angie's List Acquired for $500M by IAC by briandear on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @02:35AM (#14244386)
I don't work at TA, but I do own a tiny hotel in France so I deal with Booking.com and TA rather frequently -- TA does have a paid product for hotels, however other than not having my website URL and the ability for people to book directly with me on my TA profile, there has been absolutely zero difference in our visibility on TA. So far, TA has been really nice to work with despite me not paying them anything (yet.)

TA is definitely my go-to app when I go places; it is pretty good both as a consumer and as a listee.

Re:Angie's List Acquired for $500M by IAC by js2 on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @03:24AM (#14244574)
I found TA invaluable for researching trips to Italy, Israel, and Costa Rica. You definitely have to use it carefully, and I verified with other sources, but there's a lot of good information there.
Re:Angie's List Acquired for $500M by IAC by rhizome on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @06:00AM (#14245213)
Citysearch has/had a huge database of reviews, too. Didn't keep anybody out of the market, thankfully.
Re:Angie's List Acquired for $500M by IAC by cschmidt on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @09:48AM (#14246257)
Ranking on TripAdvisor is based only on review data, with more recent reviews carrying more weight as you'd expect. I work on this personally. Money has no influence whatsoever.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/TripAdvisorInsights/n684/tripadv...