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Re:Ending the cult of the CEO by lhnz on Monday April 24, 2017 @03:59PM (#14187631)
Unpack grit and you're left with psychological traits which many normal people have.
Re:Ending the cult of the CEO by jimbeam77 on Monday April 24, 2017 @04:00PM (#14187654)
So why don't many normal people successfully grow a business?
Re:Ending the cult of the CEO by knieveltech on Monday April 24, 2017 @04:22PM (#14187900)
Translation: why don't many normal people have trust funds, expensive educations, the disposable income and lack of financial responsibilities to be able to work for free for extended periods of time, friends in industry, investor class connections, or some combination of all of the above plus a shitload of luck.
Re:Ending the cult of the CEO by trendia on Monday April 24, 2017 @04:37PM (#14188076)
If those things are required, then why do so many immigrants become entrepreneurs?
Re:Ending the cult of the CEO by lacampbell on Monday April 24, 2017 @06:51PM (#14189169)
Aren't most immigrants to first world countries relatively well off? Relocating to a place with higher cost of living isn't cheap.

Most of the people from poor countries I've known in NZ had domestic help and owned property back home.

Re:Ending the cult of the CEO by Joof on Monday April 24, 2017 @08:56PM (#14189909)
It's unusual for them to be entrepreneurs in anything with a high barrier to entry. Instead they have to become entrepreneurs (and take on extra risk) because they can't easily get other jobs.
Re:Ending the cult of the CEO by mschuster91 on Monday April 24, 2017 @06:19PM (#14188914)
Spoken from a German POV, it's quite simple: racism. When you're an immigrant and no one wants to hire you because you have a non-German family name (illegal in theory, hard to enforce in practice!), you have four options: be stuck in low-level menial work for the rest of your life, rely on food stamps/government assistance ("Hartz IV" in Germany), turn into crime life or start a small company (costs ~ 50€ or such for a fully-liable company, and for a sorta-limited company "UG" a bit more).

Also, immigrants usually do not carry cultural dead weight - once again I refer to Germany. Starting a company is not really popular here, as you will be socially shunned if you fail (even if you not end up bankrupt in the process, but that's another can of worms). Germans are risk-averse to the extreme, immigrants usually not.

Re:Ending the cult of the CEO by majewsky on Monday April 24, 2017 @07:54PM (#14189580)
> Starting a company is not really popular here

Since I'm also German, I would like offer a different reason. I frequently observe people on HN talking about their "side projects", where they build a simple app or website in their spare time, and people are willing to pay a dollar a month or so, which (when summed over maybe 1000 users) makes for a decent secondary income.

When I consider such a model for myself (just as exploratory thought because I don't have a nice side project idea ATM) it quickly devolves into a nightmare where I spend all my free time filling out tax report forms so that the Finanzamt can collect taxes on my maybe 100 euros per month.

Maybe that's a misconception and it's much easier to operate a side business as a one-man show, but that's the mental image in my head, and that's also the main reason why I would be quite reluctant to even consider just a side project.

Re:Ending the cult of the CEO by chickenfries on Monday April 24, 2017 @05:17PM (#14188384)
Many wealthy immigrants have those privlidges...
Re:Ending the cult of the CEO by s73ver on Monday April 24, 2017 @05:22PM (#14188427)
They're not required, but they make things a whole lot easier.
Re:Ending the cult of the CEO by ladytron on Monday April 24, 2017 @05:13PM (#14188348)
They are not required. Many more here who are successful do not have all or any of those things. They just don't talk much.
Re:Ending the cult of the CEO by Banthum on Monday April 24, 2017 @07:14PM (#14189309)
Let's see; I'm a successful entrepreneur and I had...

-trust funds - no

-expensive educations - university, but it's subsidized here so it's cheap. Almost anyone who can use a uni education can get one in western nations now.

-the disposable income and lack of financial responsibilities to be able to work for free for extended periods of time - I earned this working at a corp job and saving 30% of my income for about four years

-friends in industry - no

-investor class connections - no

-shitload of luck - hard to say. Probably yes.

You don't need the above; internal qualities beat these externals every time.

Countless trust fund babies have tried to start companies and done nothing but fritter away Daddy's money.

Anyway entrepreneurship isn't really about tech giants. Most entrepreneurs aren't starting giant tech corporations. They're just normal people trying to start a lawn care company, a plumbing outfit, a local chicken restaurant chain, a barber shop, etc etc. These kinds of businesses actually do have strong growth potential if targeted and run well. It's just that very few of their proprietors have the business acumen or desire to do it. I can name several always-packed local businesses in my town that could grow quite easily, but they just... don't.

Re:Ending the cult of the CEO by maxxxxx on Monday April 24, 2017 @04:24PM (#14187937)
Maybe some people just aren't interested in doing that? Many entrepreneurs don't want to be employees and maybe many employees don't want to be entrepreneurs. I think both groups should be happy that the other exists.
Re:Ending the cult of the CEO by __jal on Monday April 24, 2017 @04:15PM (#14187838)
Because the risk calculation looks different when one has a bank account that can support one's family while working for free for a x% chance of a payout.
Re:Ending the cult of the CEO by Terr_ on Monday April 24, 2017 @04:28PM (#14187980)
In addition, beware the stories of "self made" tycoons which will conveniently ignore how -- even if they didn't trigger it -- they still had a safety-net of wealthy relatives that they could rely on for emergencies or loans. (Ex: Bill Gates.)

Statistically speaking, poorer people can't afford to undertake the same risks, so they can't take advantage of the same opportunities. Once you hit zero, you can't gamble your way back.

Re:Ending the cult of the CEO by ryandrake on Monday April 24, 2017 @08:10PM (#14189656)
Bingo. Tons of money can't buy you the home run, but it can buy you a stronger bat, a slower pitch, and as many swings as you need to hit that home run.
Re:Ending the cult of the CEO by martin1975 on Monday April 24, 2017 @05:39PM (#14188575)
Why would I/we when between me and my wife we earn > 200k a year with 9-5 jobs? Most SBO owners dont make that much. I get to see my family and children grow. The people I know who run a small business successfully slave away at their workplace because they have to... or the last friend sold it because he burnt out after a year.

The only time one would endeavor to run a massive business rather than a small one is if you invented/patented something or provided a service that can be scaled and you need help to bootstrap it... in which case unless BillG or DonaldT is yer uncle, you're gonna be sucking on some VC's titty anyway... i. e. they own you.

Re:Ending the cult of the CEO by lhnz on Monday April 24, 2017 @04:07PM (#14187743)
Well, some of them do.

And also a lot of people with "grit" don't amount to anything. They lack networks, capital or the right idea. Or they have something else that they feel is more important than building a startup: a family, work flexibility, or a hobby that consumes them.

Re:Ending the cult of the CEO by metaphorm on Monday April 24, 2017 @04:24PM (#14187938)
they do. you just don't read about the successful entrepreneurs that grow their business from 1 gas station convenience store to 4 gas station convenience stores.
Re:Ending the cult of the CEO by iamacynic on Monday April 24, 2017 @07:12PM (#14189295)
i don't think it really registers in peoples' conscious minds that somebody owns _every single_ restaurant/deli/store/shop/building/etc. in a city, and it's definitely not some rich dotcom guy.
Re:Ending the cult of the CEO by analog31 on Monday April 24, 2017 @04:27PM (#14187976)
Lack of an idea is the main obstacle for me. My best business idea so far has only produced about $20k/y of sales.
Re:Ending the cult of the CEO by ktRolster on Monday April 24, 2017 @05:23PM (#14188433)
If you are really skilled at running a business, then going to startup conferences and such will certainly give you a bunch of ideas.
Re:Ending the cult of the CEO by tboyd47 on Monday April 24, 2017 @04:08PM (#14187760)
They need health insurance
Re:Ending the cult of the CEO by dv_dt on Monday April 24, 2017 @05:01PM (#14188266)
I think it's basically the shrinking of the middle class and people with enough capital to contemplate starting a business. Looking at the number of business starts shows an ever decreasing number - which correlates with the stagnation of wages and size of the middle class. Also linked, the number of hours worked has increased steadily, as well as a increase in both parents working, so availability of time in households to supply "labor capital" to start businesses has also shrank.
Re:Ending the cult of the CEO by ghostly_s on Monday April 24, 2017 @04:03PM (#14187681)
Because the economy can only support a limited number of business owners, but a large number of employees.
Re:Ending the cult of the CEO by jimbeam77 on Monday April 24, 2017 @04:07PM (#14187739)
The economy doesn't 'support' business owners - business owners (and their customers and employees) are the economy.
Re:Ending the cult of the CEO by knieveltech on Monday April 24, 2017 @04:24PM (#14187935)
That business owners are floated on the backs of their employees seems pretty obvious.
Re:Ending the cult of the CEO by lacampbell on Monday April 24, 2017 @07:02PM (#14189236)
Yes, you're generally either an employer or an employee in a modern economy. Is this news to anyone?
Re:Ending the cult of the CEO by knieveltech on Monday April 24, 2017 @10:20PM (#14190245)
I feel like you are missing or intentionally ignoring the point here.
Re:Ending the cult of the CEO by lacampbell on Monday April 24, 2017 @11:01PM (#14190420)
I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.
Re:Ending the cult of the CEO by knieveltech on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @11:49AM (#14194594)
Droll, given I'm not the one who appears to be confused here.
Re:Ending the cult of the CEO by omginternets on Monday April 24, 2017 @04:04PM (#14187690)
Because they're doing other, equally-valuable things that require the same traits?
Re:Ending the cult of the CEO by throwaway18917 on Monday April 24, 2017 @05:08PM (#14188314)
Clearly they're just not trying hard enough to be rich.