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Re:Tomorrow's Cities: Singapore's plans for a smart nation by wahern on Saturday April 22, 2017 @12:27AM (#14171111)

  > > rose to power on a platform of communism
  > This is the funniest part.
Not just funny, but suspiciously racist. Ethnic Chinese in Malaysia and Indonesia were branded as communist all through the 1950s and 1960s and, especially in Indonesia, slaughtered. contingencies sounds like he might be from one of the non-Chinese ethnic groups in SE Asia, or part of such a family.

He's not wrong that there's deep racism in Singapore. But it goes both ways. Singapore was ejected from the Malaysian Federation for baldly racist reasons--the ethnic Malays wanted to consolidate political power. The Chinese in that region are like the Jews of Europe--economically successful but culturally still the out group. It creates a ton of resentment for all sides.

Also, I've traveled widely throughout the world and turns out _everybody_ is racist. The U.S. is probably one of the least racist countries in the world. Why? Because we _talk_ about it and _admit_ it. In the vast majority of countries people still literally take for granted that ethnic group X is obviously naturally inferior, without making the connection between that belief and the Western concept of racism.

In the U.S. even the most rabid racists go through great lengths to justify and explain their prejudice. Believe it or not, that's what progress looks like. People need to stop using racism as a cudgel as it makes it impossible for people to discuss issues of racism. It's like calling somebody Hitler--it just ends the conversation. Ultimately it makes it easier for people to stay in denial about racism.

Re:Tomorrow's Cities: Singapore's plans for a smart nation by contingencies on Saturday April 22, 2017 @04:27AM (#14171648)
Sorry, I should have said "platform of socialism". See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Action_Party#Politi...

I do not appreciate your made up comments about my character. For the record I am not: (a) of SEA-origin; (b) within such a family; or (c) racist.

Re:Tomorrow's Cities: Singapore's plans for a smart nation by hitekker on Saturday April 22, 2017 @11:34AM (#14173000)
> Not just funny, but suspiciously racist.

Absolutely. The flagged comment espoused so much hatred that I wouldn't want any Singaporean to hear it.

Really sickening.

Re:Tomorrow's Cities: Singapore's plans for a smart nation by contingencies on Saturday April 22, 2017 @05:22PM (#14174881)
The only properties of the society discussed with the exception of political history were "a significantly racially charged, class-entrenched society". How exactly is summarizing factual and historical properties of a society espousing hatred? Some of the comments here, including this one, are just plain illogical.
Re:Tomorrow's Cities: Singapore's plans for a smart nation by kranner on Saturday April 22, 2017 @10:10PM (#14176047)
I'm a little shocked that your comment was flagged for supposedly being hateful. Even if it can be seen as a matter of opinion and not entirely factual, it wasn't hateful to me in any conventional sense of hate.

It is laughable what people are saying here, that they wouldn't want any Singaporeans to read it. What?

Re:Tomorrow's Cities: Singapore's plans for a smart nation by Nutomic on Saturday April 22, 2017 @04:00AM (#14171596)
You must have never been to Europe. Just look how many black people live in poverty in the US, and how many are shot dead every day.
Re:Tomorrow's Cities: Singapore's plans for a smart nation by wahern on Saturday April 22, 2017 @09:16PM (#14175869)
Europeans know all about American racism. But Americans know very little about European racism, especially modern European racism. Ever wonder why that is?

That's my point. In most parts of the world someone could discuss American issues of racism like they studied under Cornel West. 5 minutes later they might say, in an off-handed comment, that group X is lazy and/or mostly criminals. And they'll never make the connection. It's mind-boggling.

Which isn't to say that plenty of Americans don't deny racism. They just have to work much harder at it, and they at least realize that their opinion is non-normative (even if it's technically the majority opinion).

Re:Tomorrow's Cities: Singapore's plans for a smart nation by tacomonstrous on Saturday April 22, 2017 @09:53AM (#14172506)
Europe is racist as all get out. I, as a brown man, never once felt like I belonged or had a chance of belonging. Urban America on the other hand never made me feel out of place (More rural places are different: my wife and I still get asked if we need separate checks).
Re:Tomorrow's Cities: Singapore's plans for a smart nation by rorykoehler on Saturday April 22, 2017 @11:25AM (#14172954)
I agree that Europe is racist unfortunately however I recollect serious ghettos in New York. I stayed on a Jewish Street in Brooklyn and there were practically 90% orthodox Jews in the area who avoided me like the plague (I'm white)... I walked a few blocks south and I was the only white guy. The black people there were very friendly and helpful but I could tell my presence was a novelty. I've never seen anything like that in Europe. The other thing that I notice is that race is on the top of everyone's mind all the time in the states to the point that it is a serious problem even when it shouldn't be.
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Re:Tomorrow's Cities: Singapore's plans for a smart nation by tacomonstrous on Saturday April 22, 2017 @09:49AM (#14172485)
I agree with the general point that the US is less racist than European nations, but ignoring the larger point that the situation of the black American community is very much a product of decades long racist policies to systematically deny them the opportunity to build wealth seems very disingenuous to me.
Re:Tomorrow's Cities: Singapore's plans for a smart nation by nickpsecurity on Saturday April 22, 2017 @12:44PM (#14173334)
Im not ignoring it. Other commenters are focusing on it to the exclusion of massive impact on whites caused by rural or lower-class discrimination. They also never bring up systematic discrimination against whites in black-run cities or companies. They focus on one talking point to promote a specific narrative. Im calling that out.
Re:Tomorrow's Cities: Singapore's plans for a smart nation by tacomonstrous on Saturday April 22, 2017 @02:52PM (#14174066)
Maybe the fact that the overwhelming majority of cities and companies in the US are run by whites has something to do with that.
Re:Tomorrow's Cities: Singapore's plans for a smart nation by nickpsecurity on Saturday April 22, 2017 @03:20PM (#14174232)
I doubt it. That America, with all its strengths and wesknesses, is mostly white is a weird thing that always comes up in Singapore threads. Someone always does an America comparison, ususlly dismissal, by bringing up white-on-black racism. It's like people are indoctrinated on specific talking points or something. That and the idea all Americans are set to bd wiped away with violent crime. I havent seen it here yet but it's another that showed up dozens of times when Singaporeans counterpoint on blogs.

Who knows what your background is but Im calling the oversimplification when I see it. I suggest Singapore drop those talking points to compare cost of capitalism in US with law benefitting mostly owners to their "give some get some model" benefiting their people in general. That would be more fair given America is a plutonomy.

Re:Tomorrow's Cities: Singapore's plans for a smart nation by tacomonstrous on Saturday April 22, 2017 @03:27PM (#14174263)
White-on-black racism is not so much a talking point as a fact of American life. There is no oversimplification there. I have no idea what kind of rhetoric is involved in Singaporean dialogue, but that is entirely irrelevant to what I'm saying.

Capitalism isn't inherently racist, but it also has no intrinsic qualities that help it repair the ill-effects of past racist policies.

Re:Tomorrow's Cities: Singapore's plans for a smart nation by nickpsecurity on Saturday April 22, 2017 @08:23PM (#14175691)
The sub-thread is on white-on-black racism in USA in a thread about Singapore. That's why I called it a talking point or something barely relevant. Im done with it on this one.
Re:Tomorrow's Cities: Singapore's plans for a smart nation by Gigablah on Saturday April 22, 2017 @12:04PM (#14173131)
This is a good comment and equally applies to the original post that started this thread.