Re:Why is Russia so good at encouraging women into tech?
by ahuth on Friday April 21, 2017 @09:18AM
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Hard to say that people in medicine, law, or business have easier conditions than you do.
What do you do, that's in worse conditions than those fields?
Re:Why is Russia so good at encouraging women into tech?
by BrandonMarc on Friday April 21, 2017 @09:40AM
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Indeed. Medicine and law require far more schooling / apprenticeship before the rewards start to overcome the difficulties (such as debt), often far more than even 5-6 years. All 3 can easily require being on-call at inconvenient times, and definitely require well above 40 hours a week.
Re:Why is Russia so good at encouraging women into tech?
by wobbleblob on Friday April 21, 2017 @11:22AM
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Yeah, but are you looking at this from the Silicon Valley point of view, where a computer programmer can expect a 6 figure income straight out of college? Because that's far from the norm in the parts of 'the West' where I live.
Re:Why is Russia so good at encouraging women into tech?
by BrandonMarc on Friday April 21, 2017 @12:12PM
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Is that true, though? Does Silicon Valley really pay 6 figures for entry-level? I guess with cost of living they probably have little choice.
Re:Why is Russia so good at encouraging women into tech?
by wobbleblob on Friday April 21, 2017 @04:26PM
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The cost of living in the SF area is about comparable to that in major cities in western Europe. You can't easily make a 1:1 comparison, some things are way more expensive on one side of the Atlantic, and some on the other.
Re:Why is Russia so good at encouraging women into tech?
by wobbleblob on Friday April 21, 2017 @11:20AM
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I'm not claiming the job is "easier". Making a website isn't exactly brain surgery. I'm saying the reward is higher in terms of your income and status in society.
But does it now? All of 'the West' isn't Silicon Valley.
I live in 'the west', Western Europe to be exact, and while I probably make more than a plumber or a shoe salesperson, I'd say someone with a medicine, law or business degree tends to make a lot more than I do, under easier conditions, and in those fields, you're not considered old at 40, and you're not on call in the weekends. IN terms of 'a good life', tech isn't the best return on investing 5 or 6 years of your life in a degree.
It's probably not a coincidence that these are the degrees women like to pursue. For a job that requires a college degree, 'tech' isn't that rewarding in terms of money or 'the good life'. It's rewarding in terms of getting to work in tech. You really need to want to work in tech to do it. This may be stupid prejudice of mine, but I get the impression guys tend to think more in terms of what they want, and girls tend to think more in terms of what would be smart of practical.
Now I can imagine that for someone in India or Romania, a degree and skills in tech means you could work for customers in the west or even move there, and make a lot more money than you would otherwise, while a business or law degree and skills don't transfer as well across borders, so the same dynamic of choosing what you want versus what would be the smart choice leads to a different decision.