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Re:Why is Russia so good at encouraging women into tech? by belorn on Friday April 21, 2017 @09:07AM (#14165185)
54/46 is considered gender equal ratio in Sweden as its within the 40%/40% line.

However the argument that we should put our focus based on how high the gender unequal distribution is is an fascinating argument since here in Sweden we have a perfect record of every employed person profession (as part of the tax record). We can list every professions and their gender distribution, and naturally very few of the stem professions are at top or even in the top 20. Worst two professions (of each gender) had midwife and floor tile worker at both >99.4% of each representative gender.

The data for female dominated professions was midwife and dentist at 99.6% and above, with pediatric at 98%. For male dominated profession at 99%-98% it is tile worker, mechanic, thin plate worker, carpenter, concrete worker, electrician, and last plumber. With 90% of people working in a profession with less than 40% women or 40% men, IT with a distribution of 81%/19% is quite average and unremarkable on the list. molecular biology, being in that small 10%, is much more remarkable because it actually has a gender equal distribution.

Re:Why is Russia so good at encouraging women into tech? by tptacek on Friday April 21, 2017 @09:10AM (#14165217)
In case this needs to be spelled out for you, and I apologize if it doesn't, but the subtext of there being a unique gender disparity in tech not shared by thematically similar STEM fields, let alone STEM in general, is that the causal agent is misogyny.
Re:Why is Russia so good at encouraging women into tech? by Neliquat on Friday April 21, 2017 @09:27AM (#14165352)
If you have any facts to back up that strong assertion, I am sure people are interested. Otherwise, a blanket accusal of 'misogyny' is asinine and nonproductive.
Re:Why is Russia so good at encouraging women into tech? by tptacek on Friday April 21, 2017 @09:31AM (#14165382)
Re:Why is Russia so good at encouraging women into tech? by jasode on Friday April 21, 2017 @10:24AM (#14165847)
I wasn't the one who downvoted you but I'm sure you're aware that the other side of the argument (that claim it's not misogyny) also cites Occam's razor.

Therefore, for either side to claim that the "simplest explanation is misogyny" or "simplest explanation is preferences" is seen as unconvincing to the opponent.

Re:Why is Russia so good at encouraging women into tech? by true_religion on Friday April 21, 2017 @11:30AM (#14166410)
My personal rule is that anyone who deigns to use latin in their arguments also has to use all English words in their dictionary form, and not their colloquial expression.

As per that, your use of misogyny to mean something apart from ingrained dislike or contempt for women is wrong.

You're using misogyny as if its a synonym for any expression of differing attitudes to men and women, regardless of if the outcome is good or bad, and if the participants feel happy or poorly about the situation.

That colloquial usage is utterly disqualified if you want to turn this into a formal argument.

Re:Why is Russia so good at encouraging women into tech? by reitanqild on Friday April 21, 2017 @10:38AM (#14165959)
I'm aware that you are a celebrity here and I'm a nobody.

And I agree with you in a lot of things, including that we should make workplaces more inclusive.

But being right does not entitle you to be rude, passive agressive, using various tricks to silence everyone.

Think about this: if someone else behaved like you are doing now (edit: in this whole thread) - and wasn't a celebrity or otherwise safe - they might very well have to face unpleasant consequences (edit: was something like might very well have to find a new job).

Re:Why is Russia so good at encouraging women into tech? by tptacek on Friday April 21, 2017 @11:05AM (#14166205)
There's nothing passive about my take on this problem. And nobody's being "silenced", at least not by me.
Re:Why is Russia so good at encouraging women into tech? by true_religion on Friday April 21, 2017 @11:22AM (#14166346)
Until you mentioned the posters 'celebrity' status, I hadn't even read their username.

Usernames, and personalities, are very de-emphasized on HN.

I'm also uncertain what issue you have with their behaviour?

Re:Why is Russia so good at encouraging women into tech? by 77pt77 on Friday April 21, 2017 @09:13AM (#14165241)
Where can I find that breakdown of the data?

I'm very interested in looking at the raw numbers.

Thank you.

Re:Why is Russia so good at encouraging women into tech? by wolly on Friday April 21, 2017 @09:26AM (#14165337)
http://www.statistikdatabasen.scb.se/pxweb/en/ssd/

Labour market - The Swedish Occupational Register

Re:Why is Russia so good at encouraging women into tech? by 77pt77 on Friday April 21, 2017 @09:30AM (#14165367)
In English no less.

Great resource.

Thank you!

A taste: (unfortunately I can't link to the actual report)

Gender pay-gap in IT related fields is <5% (for the same occupation and education) vs 10 to 20% for the general private sector.