Re:Naked mole rats can survive 18 minutes without oxygen
by Cyph0n on Friday April 21, 2017 @09:34AM
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If you don't think it's an effective system, propose an alternative.
Re:Naked mole rats can survive 18 minutes without oxygen
by 3131s on Friday April 21, 2017 @12:22PM
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I'm not talking about whether it is effective or not. If you want a maximally effective system, do away with ethical considerations altogether.
Re:Naked mole rats can survive 18 minutes without oxygen
by Cyph0n on Friday April 21, 2017 @01:45PM
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That's exactly my point. The alternative is to either throw all ethical rules out of the window or to never experiment with any living being for any reason whatsoever. What we have right now strikes a good balance between the two, at least the way I see it.
Re:Naked mole rats can survive 18 minutes without oxygen
by PerfectElement on Friday April 21, 2017 @11:20AM
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> It's important to note that ethics committees nowadays are extremely strict when it comes to using live subjects, humans or otherwise, so rest assured that the experimenters did their best to minimize the suffering of the rats. If they didn't, their work would probably never be accepted for funding and/or publication.
I don't buy it. These ethics committees are starting with the presumption that it's ok to use animals in experiments to begin with. Have they outlawed vivisection yet? I've talked to a researcher at a large US state school who routinely sawed through monkey's skulls and installed removable, screw-on skull caps so that they could poke and prod at their brains more easily.
I mean, I'm a hypocrite for saying that though. I still eat chicken. But I don't delude myself about it.