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Re:Why Facebook Keeps Beating Every Rival: It’s the Network by ruleabidinguser on Thursday April 20, 2017 @01:09PM (#14158607)
Yea, its certainly still al ong time, but I wonder why anyone feels the need to try and beat a monmopoly when they are at their best? I don't think the wider consequences of eagerly busting monopolies will be positive.
Re:Why Facebook Keeps Beating Every Rival: It’s the Network by chillacy on Thursday April 20, 2017 @01:32PM (#14158870)
Government intervention definitely creates monopolies, like in the case of telecom companies or pharmaceuticals.

But it seems many aspects of capitalism lend themselves to winner take all mechanics, resulting in large companies (airliners and telecoms and entertainment companies) constantly merging and reducing competition. So without the FTC, we might have even more monopolies. Without these laws, Microsoft would be the only PC company (MS bailed apple out to keep some "competition" around) and Intel would be the only manufacturer of CPUs (likewise for Intel and AMD).

Re:Why Facebook Keeps Beating Every Rival: It’s the Network by azernik on Thursday April 20, 2017 @04:04PM (#14160324)
Well yeah. This is the "natural" monopoly that Friedman referred to (and dismissed). From the Mother of All Wikis:

"Natural monopolies arise where the largest supplier in an industry, often the first supplier in a market, has an overwhelming cost advantage over other actual or potential competitors; this tends to be the case in industries where fixed costs predominate, creating economies of scale that are large in relation to the size of the market, as is the case in water and electricity services. The fixed cost of constructing a competing transmission network is so high, and the marginal cost of transmission for the incumbent so low, that it effectively bars potential competitors from the monopolist's market, acting as an early insurmountable barrier to entry into the market place."

There's a good argument to be made here they all software sub-markets are natural monopolies.

Re:Why Facebook Keeps Beating Every Rival: It’s the Network by ruleabidinguser on Thursday April 20, 2017 @01:59PM (#14159141)
Who can say what would have happenned long term? My assumption is that a true monopoly is not sustainable, but I could be wrong. I don't think the evidence is there that microsoft would remain king for long.
Re:Why Facebook Keeps Beating Every Rival: It’s the Network by jkarneges on Thursday April 20, 2017 @03:08PM (#14159806)
Facebook may be at their best, but I can still imagine the possibility of a better social networking experience. At the very least, a for-pay service where users (rather than advertisers) are the customers could result in a better product.

But we'll never know, since nobody else can reasonably enter the market.

Re:Why Facebook Keeps Beating Every Rival: It’s the Network by fdsfsafasfdas on Thursday April 20, 2017 @01:25PM (#14158780)
In this case, it's hard to see the problem with facebook being broken up. Who, exactly, loses?
Re:Why Facebook Keeps Beating Every Rival: It’s the Network by Chaebixi on Thursday April 20, 2017 @01:48PM (#14159025)
> In this case, it's hard to see the problem with facebook being broken up. Who, exactly, loses?

No one except Zuckerberg, I'd think.

However, it raises an interesting question: how exactly would you break up an entity like facebook? It doesn't seem like a business that would lend itself to subdivision.

Re:Why Facebook Keeps Beating Every Rival: It’s the Network by dane-pgp on Thursday April 20, 2017 @06:00PM (#14161295)
Just as Microsoft was required to open up its Win32 APIs, one possible remedy here would be for Facebook to be forced to allow users to receive/make posts from/to their Facebook friends on any competing site, and allow people to log into those competing sites using their Facebook accounts (using a single sign-on system like OpenID Connect / OAuth 2.0).

That way each competitor could offer its own interface and algorithm for filtering people's feeds, and show their own ads (or offer a competing business model). If users opted to have their posts on the competing site automatically sent to Facebook (so their Facebook-only friends could still see them) then Facebook would be free to data-mine those posts still.

The next question is, could someone code a browser extension or other tool which makes this possible without needing any changes from Facebook's side? If it would break the Facebook terms of service, would someone crowd-fund the anti-trust lawsuit to override those terms?

Re:Why Facebook Keeps Beating Every Rival: It’s the Network by lelandbatey on Thursday April 20, 2017 @08:32PM (#14162136)
People have tried to just "code around" these centralization issues, but Facebook/Google have a lot of developers that can put a lot of time into identifying/rate-limiting/blocking unauthorized use of their API's. Nothing has been able to get past the "but does it work almost all the time" barrier that those engineering efforts put in the way to technically circumventing centralizaiton.
Re:Why Facebook Keeps Beating Every Rival: It’s the Network by SomeStupidPoint on Thursday April 20, 2017 @02:53PM (#14159666)
Geographically, like a phone network.

Then mandate interoperability with an open standard, like a phone network.

Re:Why Facebook Keeps Beating Every Rival: It’s the Network by Chaebixi on Thursday April 20, 2017 @04:20PM (#14160460)
> Geographically, like a phone network.

I don't think that makes much sense for breaking up something like Facebook.

Unlike a phone network, Facebook's service is not rooted in geography. Yes, it's users have homes and geographic locations, but those are just arbitrary account attributes, just like their name or if they like the Denver Broncos. You might as well have one post-breakup company start out with all the A-M accounts and the other the N-Z accounts.

If you had to divide up the users between N successor companies, I'd probably be best to do it based on friend-graph connectivity, with mandated interoperability between them. That might make the successors sticky enough to survive.

Re:Why Facebook Keeps Beating Every Rival: It’s the Network by SomeStupidPoint on Thursday April 20, 2017 @07:12PM (#14161732)
There's a high correlation between geography and social graph, while the part of the social graph that gets "cut" will give an incentive to make interoperability work, as people will care about it.

So your premise is true(ish), but the conclusion can't be drawn from it (and your comparison falls apart) because we don't need strict dependency on geography, only a (relatively strong) correlation.

Re:Why Facebook Keeps Beating Every Rival: It’s the Network by EGreg on Thursday April 20, 2017 @02:06PM (#14159201)
Why not make an open soure alternative? How much do you hear about blogger.com and livejournal after Wordpress came out? How much do you hear about AOL after the Web came out?
Re:Why Facebook Keeps Beating Every Rival: It’s the Network by s73ver on Thursday April 20, 2017 @08:16PM (#14162047)
They've already tried. But the biggest thing about social networks is that they really only work if the people you want to be connected to are there. Diaspora was an open source social network, and it went nowhere. Ello was supposed to be a social network that didn't sell your data, and they ended up not being able to make it as a social network. They're still around, but they've pivoted a little.
Re:Why Facebook Keeps Beating Every Rival: It’s the Network by fdsfsafasfdas on Thursday April 20, 2017 @02:54PM (#14159671)
Because there are open source alternatives. Nobody uses them. Nobody used google plus, and that was a realistic replacement.
Re:Why Facebook Keeps Beating Every Rival: It’s the Network by EGreg on Thursday April 20, 2017 @03:43PM (#14160135)
Oh yeah? Please list the top 3 alternatives which are open source.
Re:Why Facebook Keeps Beating Every Rival: It’s the Network by droidist2 on Friday April 21, 2017 @12:24AM (#14163082)
GNU Social, Diaspora, and Friendica
Re:Why Facebook Keeps Beating Every Rival: It’s the Network by ruleabidinguser on Thursday April 20, 2017 @02:00PM (#14159147)
The consumers, no? They get inferior products. Who wins? Seems like its just people who want a piece of the pie, and do they deserve it? Doesn't seem like it.
Re:Why Facebook Keeps Beating Every Rival: It’s the Network by fdsfsafasfdas on Thursday April 20, 2017 @02:36PM (#14159485)
I'd argue Facebook's purchase and integration of other products is what made them inferior.... How exactly does facebook owning instagram and facebook help the consumer? They didn't need to buy it to integrate it into feeds, and that's not how most people consumed instagram anyway.

Hell, the main benefit I see to instagram is that their geotagging improved immensely.

Re:Why Facebook Keeps Beating Every Rival: It’s the Network by ruleabidinguser on Thursday April 20, 2017 @02:57PM (#14159701)
How is it worse for the consumer, though? I don't see how, under capitalism, its even possible for an abusive company to maintain a strong position.
Re:Why Facebook Keeps Beating Every Rival: It’s the Network by fdsfsafasfdas on Friday April 21, 2017 @05:49PM (#14169699)
> I don't see how, under capitalism, its even possible for an abusive company to maintain a strong position.

Network effects. Together everyone hates it; individually, there is nowhere else for people to go without losing the majority of your social network. Facebook has people; its software is utterly irrelevant to why people use it.

Re:Why Facebook Keeps Beating Every Rival: It’s the Network by s73ver on Thursday April 20, 2017 @08:17PM (#14162051)
There's nothing about that action which would imply that consumers would get inferior products.