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Re:Building a Completely Reversible Computer by sadgit on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @04:31PM (#14151472)
Does this imply that physical entropy and informational entropy are the same?

Does it imply the computer would not give off heat? Or that a significant amount of the heat generated by a computer is due to information loss?

Re:Building a Completely Reversible Computer by SilasX on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @04:43PM (#14151589)
>Does this imply that physical entropy and informational entropy are the same?

It does, and there is a very strong (but not universally accepted) case that they are the same thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_in_thermodynamics_and_...

Great lay article about it: http://lesswrong.com/lw/o5/the_second_law_of_thermodynamics_...

(Side note: I've long thought you can derive Carnot efficiency based on information-theoretic arguments about the information contained in knowing only the temperature difference between a heat source and a sink.)

>Does it imply the computer would not give off heat? Or that a significant amount of the heat generated by a computer is due to information loss?

Basically, yes. You can't avoid the heat emission from setting a 0 to a 1 on that computer's storage medium, but you would avoid the loss from any of the intermediate computations that typically make CPUs so hot.

Re:Building a Completely Reversible Computer by socmag on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @07:20PM (#14152661)
I'm not the person who was asking, but thanks for the insightful comments. Makes sense.

Wouldn't a reversible computer that executes need to take up an exponentially large amount of physical space as it executes?

That might work for small problems but it doesn't seem like it would scale. Or rather, it would scale to fill the known universe.

Sorry I haven't really dug into the attached articles yet, but I will.

Re:Building a Completely Reversible Computer by SilasX on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @08:27PM (#14152993)
See the thread about the asymptotic penalties: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14151390
Re:Building a Completely Reversible Computer by hcs on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @07:43PM (#14152786)
> Does it imply the computer would not give off heat?

The implication goes the other way: if the computer does not give off heat, it must be reversible.

Re:Building a Completely Reversible Computer by sadgit on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @08:06PM (#14152912)
So, in a sense, heat is unrecoverable information.
Re:Building a Completely Reversible Computer by hcs on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @08:18PM (#14152953)
In some sense that seems to be true.

But I just meant that while it's easy to make a reversible circuit, no tech we have today can make it as energy efficient as might be theoretically possible.