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Re:Vanguard Is Growing Faster Than Everybody Else Combined by kgwgk on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @03:58PM (#14151202)
Thanks for the detailed response. I don't get the relevance to the question discussed, though (not your fault).
Re:Vanguard Is Growing Faster Than Everybody Else Combined by ethbro on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @04:21PM (#14151399)
VLM wrote about it excellently from the buyer's side, but I was thinking about it more from the market side.

Depending on the weighting method of the index you're tracking (and other indices that include your stocks), the indices need to rebalance purely in response to "price changes happened and reallocation is needed."

This requires buying at minimum (or buying and selling as VLM pointed out). That buying moves the market when there's a significant amount of money in index following funds.

The initial comment was about reaping arbitrage when (I think) the price the index following funds made diverges from the actual (ex index involvement) price.

I was wondering how that's operationally relevant or whether the "Don't fight the Fed" rule comes in, given that there's a massive amount of money in index funds.

Someone with more knowledge would have to chime in as to the effect in aggregate of rebalancing playing against active moves (for fundamental reasons).

Re:Vanguard Is Growing Faster Than Everybody Else Combined by kgwgk on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @04:51PM (#14151651)
Passive trackers do not need to rebalance in response to price changes when full replication is used, at least for market-cap weighted indices (I know there are also indices which are not exactly market-cap weighted and rebalance a few times per year, and of course some trading is required when the composition changes).

I think the relevant mispricing introduced by passive investing is the relative one. The question is not that passive investors are driving the S&P 500 index higher than it should. The thing is that they are failing to distinguish company A, which should ouperform because it's doing well, from company B, which should underperform because it's not doing so well.