Re:User-Made Patch Lets Owners of Next-Gen CPUs Install Upda...
by 0x0 on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @02:47PM
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What I don't get is that Windows 7 is in extended support until 2020, so if you bought Windows 7 retail and upgraded your CPU to one of these blocked next-gen versions, how is blocking windows update even excusable???
Re:User-Made Patch Lets Owners of Next-Gen CPUs Install Upda...
by sandworm101 on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @02:38PM
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This is no patch. This is a hack. This is the bypassing of a DRM protocol, an undoing of an antifeature and part of the ongoing war. I await the MS counterattack.
Re:User-Made Patch Lets Owners of Next-Gen CPUs Install Upda...
by yuhong on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @03:06PM
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I see a string saying "Only detected non-exempt updates on device with unsupported processor" when I was disassembling the code, so obviously MS has a way to mark patches as "exempt".
Re:User-Made Patch Lets Owners of Next-Gen CPUs Install Upda...
by lightbyte on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @03:08PM
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If you had read the original announcement about this over a year ago you would already know that this was the case and what the exemptions are:
>Through July 17, 2017, Skylake devices on the supported list will also be supported with Windows 7 and 8.1. During the 18-month support period, these systems should be upgraded to Windows 10 to continue receiving support after the period ends. After July 2017, the most critical Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 security updates will be addressed for these configurations, and will be released if the update does not risk the reliability or compatibility of the Windows 7/8.1 platform on other devices.
Re:User-Made Patch Lets Owners of Next-Gen CPUs Install Upda...
by rbanffy on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @03:33PM
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Chip manufacturers bent over backwards to make sure their chips ran Windows perfectly. This is obviously changing and they are not investing as much as they used to in compatibility with existing software.
Re:User-Made Patch Lets Owners of Next-Gen CPUs Install Upda...
by awalton on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @05:47PM
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Err, no. This is 100% Microsoft trying to kill all Windows prior to Win10 by making it virtually impossible to continue to use the older Windows versions (i.e. by blocking updates and removing support for new hardware).
There's nothing technically different enough about these new CPUs that anything significant needs to be done by Microsoft - in fact, it took more code to deny the ability to install on these new CPUs than it would take to allow it.
Re:User-Made Patch Lets Owners of Next-Gen CPUs Install Upda...
by rbanffy on Thursday April 20, 2017 @07:29AM
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The 80186 was a market failure because, mostly, PCs built with it were not completely compatible with software already existing. This was because the components the 186 integrated were not copies of their IBM PC analogs. IIRC, at that time, the "gold standard" of PC-compatibility was Flight Simulator: if anything was even slightly different, it wouldn't run. Many PC almost-compatibles had special versions of it.
Intel learned their lesson and all subsequent processors were crafted to be exquisitely compatible with all processors that came before them and to make it easy to build computers that ran all previous PC software. AMD64 (the architecture) is limited by the need to run x86 code seamlessly. Everything is there, from string copy instructions , x87, MMX, SSEx, either explicitly or as parts of newer standards that superseded them. Until recently, every PC chipset had, deep in it, a fully functional ISA bus.
1. I see this as a public-spirited project that favors consumers over a rapacious corporation.
2. At a time when farmers can't even repair their own tractors any more (http://modernfarmer.com/2016/07/right-to-repair/), this hack will probably result in legal action.
>Through July 17, 2017, Skylake devices on the supported list will also be supported with Windows 7 and 8.1. During the 18-month support period, these systems should be upgraded to Windows 10 to continue receiving support after the period ends. After July 2017, the most critical Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 security updates will be addressed for these configurations, and will be released if the update does not risk the reliability or compatibility of the Windows 7/8.1 platform on other devices.
https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/01/15/windo...
I've used Windows for decades and don't recall anything like this happening in the past.
There's nothing technically different enough about these new CPUs that anything significant needs to be done by Microsoft - in fact, it took more code to deny the ability to install on these new CPUs than it would take to allow it.
Intel learned their lesson and all subsequent processors were crafted to be exquisitely compatible with all processors that came before them and to make it easy to build computers that ran all previous PC software. AMD64 (the architecture) is limited by the need to run x86 code seamlessly. Everything is there, from string copy instructions , x87, MMX, SSEx, either explicitly or as parts of newer standards that superseded them. Until recently, every PC chipset had, deep in it, a fully functional ISA bus.