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Re:Kazakhstan spells out plans for alphabet swap by int_19h on Sunday April 16, 2017 @10:57PM (#14128958)
Again, the first written mention of what - the word "ukraina", or the use of that word to refer the territory that's Ukraine today? I tried to draw that distinction as clearly as I could above.

So far as I know, all uses of the word "ukraina" in Kievan sources do not refer to the territory as a whole, nor to territories near Kiev, but rather those that were borderlands with respect to Kiev as the capital (e.g. Halych). Of course, I may well be missing something - can you give an example of a Kievan source that use "ukraina" to refer to the country as a whole, or to its heartland?

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Re:Kazakhstan spells out plans for alphabet swap by qaq on Sunday April 16, 2017 @11:55PM (#14129127)
It's debated whether or not it referred to territory as whole with most historians not supporting that idea, yet the territories it referred to were pretty much next to Kiev so the name borderland again very debatable.
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