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Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by valuearb on Saturday April 15, 2017 @05:06PM (#14122860)
"another tax-advantaged option that's entirely within apple's control is to distribute more of its income to its employees "

You mean "shareholders's income". It's not Apples income to run social programs with.

Lowering (or preferably eliminating) corporate income taxes benefits investment at every level, from Apple all the way down to startups. If your business plan shows that if you hit plan you will generate $1M in profit your first year, and will reinvest $600k in the business, the rest going to CA and US taxes. Now contrast that to the reinvesting the full $1M in the business. In the second case the business will be able to grow faster and increase company asset/equity value faster, of course it will be more valuable. And this means it's more likely to get funded.

Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by clairity on Saturday April 15, 2017 @06:50PM (#14123275)
no, i don't mean shareholder's income. the income of a firm flows to many constituents, not just shareholders. the idea that a shareholder is the only important stakeholder is, frankly, myopic and self-centered. that's not to say that shareholders are unimportant, but they are but one part of a whole that makes a firm successful.

apple's situation itself disproves your central tenet that lower corporate taxes equates to value generation. apple is fully taking advantage of lower corporate taxes, yet it's unable to invest its massive hoard of cash fast enough to generate any additional value. that money is literally wasted by sitting in apple's bank account.

if more of that cash had been distributed to employees, some of it would have gone to buying more consumer products, like iphones (economic velocity), and some of the more enterprising employees would have decided to start a new venture (value creation).

Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by valuearb on Sunday April 16, 2017 @06:56PM (#14128024)
It's money is being loaned to thousands of businesses, creating massive value.

Shareholders own the company, all its assets and all its profits. Without their willingness to allow their investment, assets and profits to be kept in the company, it doesn't exist. Suppliers and employees are only part of the equation because they are paid to be, and if they don't like their pay will walk at the drop of a hat.

If your business becomes unprofitable your shares can be rendered worthless, and you can't "quit" and exchange worthless shares for ownership in a better company.

Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by harperlee on Saturday April 15, 2017 @06:43PM (#14123243)
> You mean "shareholders's income". It's not Apples income to run social programs with.

I know you didn't say this exactly, but it is not true that a company exists solely for looking after shareholder's income. They also have other things to look after, such as social obligations.

Here is an article with some more detail about it (PDF): https://centres.insead.edu/social-innovation/who-we-are/docu...

Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by valuearb on Sunday April 16, 2017 @07:00PM (#14128038)
Yea that article is BS. The idea that corporations have obligations beyond their owners is pure parasitical nonsense. Obviously they have an obligation to behave legally, but their profits and assets are owned by shareholders.

Tim Cook is worth around a billion dollars, he has massive personal resources to pursue charitable activities on his own. Should he reduce the dividend an aging widow depends on to use corporate resources instead?

Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by jimmywanger on Sunday April 16, 2017 @02:04AM (#14124597)
The article you cite says that it's about what a corporation "ought" to do. It's not currently part of the corporate charter in the US, and unless explicitly called out, a company is ultimately only responsible for shareholder value. If that means tossing money at the local community so they can continue to do business there, they will do that.
Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by jliptzin on Saturday April 15, 2017 @05:52PM (#14123043)
Wouldn't you be able to write off those investments against the $1 million in income? In that case it shouldn't matter what the tax rate is.
Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by specialist on Sunday April 16, 2017 @12:04AM (#14124259)
Wages, salaries, sick leave, health insurance, and retirement funds are social programs?
Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by simonh on Sunday April 16, 2017 @03:42AM (#14124838)
I think the contention is that paying more if these than us. Ecesssry for staff recruitment and retention is basically that.

My own take is that paying staff more than necessary can be counterproductive because it can lead them to retire early or feel wealthy enough to leave for less stressful or more enjoyable jobs, thus disadvantaging the company.