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Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by ThomPete on Saturday April 15, 2017 @02:18PM (#14121985)
They shouldn't have been allowed to begin with to send out. But there is nothing to do about it of course.
Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by trevyn on Saturday April 15, 2017 @02:22PM (#14122000)
It's money that they've made overseas from selling products through their foreign retail and wholesale divisions, so they didn't really "send it out."
Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by GCA10 on Saturday April 15, 2017 @03:05PM (#14122243)
Actually, we're talking about money companies have ascribed to overseas operations, sometimes because that's actually where they do traditional manufacturing and sales ... and sometimes because they've created the darnedest shell companies to make it seem as if they're earning all their profits in Luxembourg, Ireland, the Bahamas or other tax havens.

Jesse Drucker wrote a lot about such tax maneuvers during his years at Bloomberg News. An overall link to his work is here: https://www.bloomberg.com/authors/APuiS-bL1Fc/jesse-drucker

Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by cdash on Saturday April 15, 2017 @03:07PM (#14122256)
Bullshit. This is not money that has been "earned" overseas. Its money that has been earned in the US but put on the book as overseas income.
Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by valuearb on Saturday April 15, 2017 @04:05PM (#14122560)
That would actually be tax evasion, and it's illegal. There is no evidence for your assertion.

What actually happens is Apple sells product to international subsidiaries to sell in their countries. In some cases international subsidiaries build products and sell them to Apple US and other subsidiaries.

The profits from international sales and production are profits in the subsidiaries that sold or made them. They aren't taxable in the US until those subsidiaries pay dividends to their owner, Apple US. Given that the US and California corporate income tax rates combine to equal 40%+, Apple US chooses not to take dividends from the subsidiaries at this time, and allows the profits to accumulate in savings accounts overseas.*

*this is a simplification of course, but basically accurate. One thing Apple does is funnel lots of the subsidiary profits to Apple Ireland, because Ireland's tax rates for the bank account interest is extremely low. But it all works out the same as Apple Ireland is a subsidiary of Apple US, and Apple US can't touch those profits without losing over 40% of them to US/CA taxes.

Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by cdash on Saturday April 15, 2017 @07:23PM (#14123412)
You can talk about how that would be tax evasion and it would be illegal but in practical terms that is exactly what they are doing.

They just have hired a bunch of lawyers to tell them how to do it so that it is legal.

By the way, when you talk about selling product to international subsidiaries you are actually talking about putting their IP ownership in international subsidiaries and then having the American subsidiary pay licensing fees so that no profit is made in the US.

Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by EduardoBautista on Saturday April 15, 2017 @09:21PM (#14123834)
If it were that easy everyone would do it.
Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by ThomPete on Saturday April 15, 2017 @10:43PM (#14124075)
They are
Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by ThomPete on Saturday April 15, 2017 @02:34PM (#14122068)
Where are the money they made in the US then?
Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by pjc50 on Saturday April 15, 2017 @02:42PM (#14122110)
.. in the US. Probably paid out in dividends and salaries.
Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by valuearb on Saturday April 15, 2017 @03:17PM (#14122324)
Currently Apple pays around $12B a year in dividends. It has averaged over $10B a year the last 5 years or so.

It's expected if a repatriation bill passes, Apple will pay out a special one time dividend to shareholders, and some think it will be as big as $100B.

Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by jjtheblunt on Saturday April 15, 2017 @03:02PM (#14122226)
And invested by Blackburn or whatever the Nevada corp is...Google it.
Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by donarb on Saturday April 15, 2017 @05:06PM (#14122865)
It's called Braeburn, a type of apple.
Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by ThomPete on Saturday April 15, 2017 @03:08PM (#14122261)
So they have 246B + US hoard?
Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by valuearb on Saturday April 15, 2017 @03:59PM (#14122532)
No, they have $246B minus around $80B in debt. Some of the $246B is overseas.
Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by ThomPete on Saturday April 15, 2017 @04:22PM (#14122634)
Yeah so it's not money made overseas which was the original claim I was asking about.
Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by ThomPete on Saturday April 15, 2017 @03:10PM (#14122276)
Apple have famously not paid out much dividend though.
Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by ThomPete on Saturday April 15, 2017 @03:23PM (#14122358)
Whoever down votes will you please explain exactly where I am wrong here?
Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by zepto on Saturday April 15, 2017 @03:40PM (#14122453)
Making a series false statements without references.
Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by ThomPete on Saturday April 15, 2017 @03:47PM (#14122474)
What series of false statements?
Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by zepto on Saturday April 15, 2017 @03:48PM (#14122477)
Look back at your statements.
Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by ThomPete on Saturday April 15, 2017 @04:20PM (#14122628)
Yes whats the long series of wrong statements? By all means please correct me.
Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by zepto on Saturday April 15, 2017 @04:40PM (#14122741)
Nobody wants to bother, since you can check them easily yourself with google. That's why you are being downvoted without explanation.
Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by ThomPete on Saturday April 15, 2017 @05:46PM (#14123018)
Whats up with the attitude?

Asking a genuine question is not reason for downvote.

Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by zepto on Saturday April 15, 2017 @06:54PM (#14123290)
You are asking other people to do work for you that you could easily do yourself.

Rather than letting obviously wrong statements stand unchallenged people just downvote them. There is no obligation to explain.

Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by ThomPete on Saturday April 15, 2017 @10:45PM (#14124079)
A question is a wrong statement? Nice try.
Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by zepto on Sunday April 16, 2017 @01:57AM (#14124580)
Your questions contained implicit statements just like this one:

Why can't you stop spreading falsehoods?

Either way - you asked why you were downvoted, and now you have an answer.

Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by ThomPete on Sunday April 16, 2017 @07:26AM (#14125380)
In other words you can't point to any series of false statements so instead you just make things up.

Got it thanks.

Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by zepto on Sunday April 16, 2017 @07:13PM (#14128109)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14122276

There you go. So even your claim that I'm making things up is false.

Intellectual honesty is a currency around here.

Re:Apple's cash hoard swells to $246B by ThomPete on Friday April 28, 2017 @07:25AM (#14218511)
What does that link prove? By all means.