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Re:Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety i... by djsumdog on Wednesday April 12, 2017 @10:59PM (#14103787)
It's difficult to judge long term toxicity in humans. You don't immediately keel over and die when you smoke a cigarette, and the correlation between lung cancer and cigarettes needs a fully understandable cause. That's how the industry slipped by for years.

Likewise, most European countries do not fluoridate their water and the correlation doesn't seem to show any significant difference in dental health. The anti-fluoride people state these numbers, and then go and use the same bad logical to attribute fluoride to a host of ailments that are loosely correlated without any causation links.

Can fluoride in water lead to osteoporosis in older adults? Well we don't know, and these types of studies are very difficult to conduct because there are tons of variables. Many people drink from a combination of fluoridated and non-fluoridated water supplies and beverages throughout their lives. People move in and out of municipalities with different water treatment techniques. People have different intakes for calcium, iron, fibre, carbs throughout their entire lives. People have different genetics. When it comes to long term toxicity, it's really difficult to narrow down factors because you can't control for everything (ethically) and humans can live a long time.

It would make sense for at least some percentage of the population to have adverse reaction to Glyphosate. We all have slight genetic differences and reactions. Can it lead to specific cancers in humans consistently? Do we understand the mechanism by which it does this chemically? Can we replicate this in other animals where we control for other factors.

Just like the tobacco industry, I wouldn't put it past Monsanto to both bury and make up studies to suit their interests.

Re:Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety i... by brutos on Thursday April 13, 2017 @03:58AM (#14105022)
> Likewise, most European countries do not fluoridate their water and the correlation doesn't seem to show any significant difference in dental health.

Just to expand on this point a book: In Germany you buy fluoridated salt (you can also buy non fluoridated salt, you have the choice, no idea why you would do that though). Children and people with dental problems also can get fluoridated toothpaste.

I think this fluoridation thing is a non-issue in Germany, never heard anyone talk about it at least . Also I think the salt solution is a lot more elegant than the tap water one in the US.

Re:Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety i... by yodsanklai on Thursday April 13, 2017 @02:15AM (#14104555)
> Likewise, most European countries do not fluoridate their water and the correlation doesn't seem to show any significant difference in dental health

I've never researched this so it may be confirmation bias, but my experience living in Europe and the US is that Americans have better looking teeth.

Re:Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety i... by tdeschamps on Thursday April 13, 2017 @03:22AM (#14104851)
better looking does not mean healthier, especially thanks to bleach, whitening and surgery.
Re:Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety i... by ionised on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @05:31AM (#14137436)
Because Americans go all out on cosmetic dental procedures and corrections where the teeth are otherwise fine.
Re:Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety i... by petre on Saturday April 15, 2017 @01:41AM (#14119565)
Mainly because of implants, whitening treatments, social pressure and because they banned smoking in the past 17 years.
Re:Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety i... by joering2 on Thursday April 13, 2017 @12:39AM (#14104211)
> You don't immediately keel over and die when you smoke a cigarette,

My all-time favorite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpwcF3Malj8

To play devils advocate.. we will never prove if smoking truly cause cancer, unless we go back in time and look at the same person in the same circumstances only that he/she never smoked.

And in all seriousness, my grandmother smoked all her life, from age of 16 all the way till she died at 103 due to Alzheimer. Her lungs were as gold as it gets!

Re:Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety i... by grogenaut on Thursday April 13, 2017 @03:06AM (#14104770)
Did they autopsy her lungs? Also gold lung sounds like a pretty bad condition. You sure that didn't kill her?
Re:Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety i... by malandrew on Thursday April 13, 2017 @04:10AM (#14105079)
She lived to be 103 and has Alzheimer's. Does it matter? Plus, at that age and frailty, lots of things could have killed her that a younger person would survive.
Re:Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety i... by grogenaut on Friday April 14, 2017 @02:29AM (#14112987)
I'm not trying to be insensitive to your grand mothers death but you're claiming she smoked forever and had great lungs, sans evidence except that she died late. That's evidence but it's anecdotal as hell.