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Re:YouTube Advertiser Meltdown: An Opportunity for Startups by dragonwriter on Wednesday April 12, 2017 @12:14AM (#14094704)
> Discussion is terribly confused when 'censorship' is interpreted in this general sense.

It's the original sense.

> Censorship enforced by the state is something distinctly different from editorial control exercised by private entities.

Yes, government censorship is different in important ways than censorship by a publishing or distributing entity, but both are censorship (and they are also similar in important ways.)

> When the single word can represent either concept (and other related concepts) ambiguity and confusion isn't far behind.

Heavy water is different from drinking water in some quite important ways, but its not at all a problem that both are identified with the word "water", because we can use more than one word when the differentiating features are important to the discussion.

> I used to argue that 'censorship' should be interpreted as something done by governments and enforced by the legal system but that battle has been lost.

That battle was lost centuries ago. What the censor librorum does in granting, or denying, the nihil obstat has always been censorship, even where the Catholic Church is not an established Church and so is in now way part of the government.

> Now the unqualified 'censorship' can mean just about any sort of content restrictions and as such is almost useless in its unqualified form.

It has pretty much always meant that, and just because the general sense of censorship is not something you are interested in talking about doesn't mean it's not useful.

Re:YouTube Advertiser Meltdown: An Opportunity for Startups by ckastner on Wednesday April 12, 2017 @03:37AM (#14095584)
> It has pretty much always meant that, and just because the general sense of censorship is not something you are interested in talking about doesn't mean it's not useful.

It's certainly less useful than distinguishing between specific forms of censorship. As you concede yourself:

> Yes, government censorship is different in important ways than censorship by a publishing or distributing entity

The context (the article) is clearly about the latter, specific form.

Or, to expand on your example: When discussing an article about nuclear fusion, the distinction between heavy water and drinking water certainly is more useful then the observation that both are identified with the word "water".

Re:YouTube Advertiser Meltdown: An Opportunity for Startups by gwright on Wednesday April 12, 2017 @12:39AM (#14094800)
I'm willing to concede that that 'censorship' has always been an expansive term. Perhaps my perspective is just a personal idiosyncrasy.

But that is really ancillary to my point that in order to communicate clearly about the public policy issues involved it is important to avoid the generic use of the term because that obfuscates the arguments making it harder to explore the issues.

In particular I think that in the US context, 1st Amendment proscriptions regarding freedom of speech and of the press are often implicitly assumed to be reasons why Google, for example, shouldn't be able to have a restrictive editorial policy. The negative aspects of censorship in the 1st Amendment sense are misleadingly attached to censorship in the editorial sense.

Sure it is possible to talk about 'censorship' in the 'general sense' but that is uninteresting to me and I would argue isn't very helpful in understanding the distinct aspects of different types of 'censorship'.

Re:YouTube Advertiser Meltdown: An Opportunity for Startups by hueving on Wednesday April 12, 2017 @04:11AM (#14095732)
>The negative aspects of censorship in the 1st Amendment sense are misleadingly attached to censorship in the editorial sense.

The very presence of anti-censorship in the 1st amendment is the reason many people in the US get outraged when companies censor views. They view free speech as a fundamental right, even though the 1st amendment only applies to the government.

Re:YouTube Advertiser Meltdown: An Opportunity for Startups by dragonwriter on Wednesday April 12, 2017 @09:03AM (#14097200)
> The very presence of anti-censorship in the 1st amendment is the reason many people in the US get outraged when companies censor views.

No, it's not. The value of free expression and the concept of the marketplace of ideas to which it is essential predates and goes beyond the 1st Amendment. The 1st Amendment isn't the cause, it's a product of the same cause.

Though it's a lot trickier to apply the concept to private censorship, which is both, in one sense, an exercise of the right of free speech and, potentially, a restriction on it in some cases. Government censorship is a lot more of a clear issue (even if there are issues of drawing the precise boundary.)

Re:YouTube Advertiser Meltdown: An Opportunity for Startups by r_smart on Wednesday April 12, 2017 @08:38AM (#14097024)
The first amendment only applies to the government, but it elucidates a natural right all people have, and thus forbids the government from tampering with it. Other people should also not tamper with it, but enforcing that is beyond the scope of the first amendment.

Free speech is a fundamental right, which is why every Western democracy at least pays lip service to the idea.

Re:YouTube Advertiser Meltdown: An Opportunity for Startups by blatherard on Wednesday April 12, 2017 @07:21AM (#14096596)
> It's the original sense.

Nope. The original "censors" were Roman magistrates who enforced public morals. They're called censors because they were also responsible for the census. The government part of censorship has been baked in from the very coining of the word.

Re:YouTube Advertiser Meltdown: An Opportunity for Startups by dragonwriter on Wednesday April 12, 2017 @08:58AM (#14097157)
> The original "censors" were Roman magistrates who enforced public morals.

That is the original use of the Latin word "censor"; the use of "censor", even in Latin (in part, because Catholic Church), had expanded considerably in the millenium+ between the fall of Rome and the coining of the English word "censorship".

Latin and English are different languages, and "censor" and "censorship" are different words.