Re:The way people tilt their smartphone 'can give away passw...
by abecedarius on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @11:14AM
(#14088637)
Nice hack. I've been using my phone for less and less over the years, out of security concerns, since it's my 2fa device and I sometimes check email with it. After the Broadcom wifi thing I even stopped carrying it around. I guess it's past time to buy a dedicated 2fa device.
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Re:The way people tilt their smartphone 'can give away passw...
by j_s on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @01:24PM
(#14090278)
Are you thinking about U2F or something more?
Here is a helpful discussion including using the Yubikey Neo NFC with Android phones and alternatives to Yubikey: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13635433
Re:The way people tilt their smartphone 'can give away passw...
by abecedarius on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @02:24PM
(#14090940)
Things like that, yes, thanks for the link. I've vaguely heard about these devices but not yet properly researched them.
Re:The way people tilt their smartphone 'can give away passw...
by ColanR on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @02:06PM
(#14090760)
What broadcom wifi 'thing' are you referring to? Guess I missed that piece of history.
Re:The way people tilt their smartphone 'can give away passw...
by abecedarius on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @02:23PM
(#14090920)
Re:The way people tilt their smartphone 'can give away passw...
by ColanR on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @05:42PM
(#14092748)
Ah. Thanks to you both.
Re:The way people tilt their smartphone 'can give away passw...
by throwaway2048 on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @02:19PM
(#14090889)
Every single cellphone that uses broadcom wifi (basicly all of them) has remote root via wifi. 95% will never be patched.
Re:The way people tilt their smartphone 'can give away passw...
by militantVagrant on Wednesday April 12, 2017 @01:31AM
(#14095022)
At least there is 5%(Nexus and Pixel) that get patched. The baseband is wide open on 100% of cellphones with a SIM card in them, and it's never getting patched.
Re:The way people tilt their smartphone 'can give away passw...
by Neliquat on Wednesday April 12, 2017 @09:26AM
(#14097409)
Thats ignoring that GSM and friends are still broken, so your device being rooted is stilp only half the issue.
Re:The way people tilt their smartphone 'can give away passw...
by ZeroManArmy on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @11:57AM
(#14089269)
Where would you buy one? I'd love to have one myself.
Re:The way people tilt their smartphone 'can give away passw...
by skibble on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @12:27PM
(#14089654)
YubiKeys are supposed to be great. I don't have one myself — been mulling it over, but not sure if I need one since I have an authenticatior app on my phone. If anyone thinks I should though I'm all ears!
Re:The way people tilt their smartphone 'can give away passw...
by wruza on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @12:31PM
(#14089696)
If 2fa through SMS, then maybe any dumbphone is okay?
Google 1st: https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/150153/is-a-dum...
Re:The way people tilt their smartphone 'can give away passw...
by pmiller2 on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @01:02PM
(#14090017)
SMS itself isn't all that secure.
Re:The way people tilt their smartphone 'can give away passw...
by JadeNB on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @04:56PM
(#14092350)
> SMS itself isn't all that secure.
But isn't the point of 2FA that it's OK to have each of the factors individually be (relatively) insecure—passwords being about as insecure as imagineable for most users—as long as no-one is likely to have access to both of them? Thus, it's OK if someone can read your texts, as long as they don't also know your passwords.
Re:The way people tilt their smartphone 'can give away passw...
by abecedarius on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @05:30PM
(#14092651)
Hackers have stolen large amounts of cryptocurrencies from individual targets because they used SMS 2FA. (If probably more money than I've ever had counts as large.) You might not be as juicy a target, but if you're reading HN I guess you're at least mildly interesting these days, this being the cyberpunk future.