Re:California’s public pensions are breaking the bank
by aswanson on Thursday April 13, 2017 @10:08PM
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That implies a 2.4 percent rate of real growth in a hyperinflationary era, so assume a 4.4 real rate of return in normal circumstances. That is the number we should be basing projections on, as it correlates more closely to real dollars in the retirement age years. 8-12 percent estimates are bs, and red herrings because they don't relate real returns.
Re:California’s public pensions are breaking the bank
by AstralStorm on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @03:35AM
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Historic data is not good enough to base a long term policy on. Not without precise risk valuation at least.
Re:California’s public pensions are breaking the bank
by vkou on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @01:11PM
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No, but it generally makes sense to talk about expected investment return over the rate of inflation. Hence, the raw number is meaningless - a 12% return rate in an environment with inflation of 9% is almost as reasonable as a 3% return rate in an environment with inflation of 0%.
Re:California’s public pensions are breaking the bank
by neffy on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @10:19PM
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That's one of several things to bear in mind - but it's not a straightforward one - the various causes of high inflation tend to mitigate against matching investment rates.
Leaving that aside - even at the time it seemed ridiculous - so learning 20 years later that the "professionals" involved have essentially bet everybody's future, on projecting those kinds of returns for 40 years...
... because we all understand I hope. When this thing blows up - its not going to be pretty.
Given that, an expected 8% rate of return isn't unreasonable.