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Re:A man wouldn’t leave an overbooked United flight, so he w... by threatofrain on Monday April 10, 2017 @01:32PM (#14080704)
Violence will always underlie government, law, courts, and police. Nations can do research on de-escalation or non-violent interventions, but what happens when a nice method doesn't work? Violence comes next.

The objection here is that violence wasn't sufficiently gated, and nor was violence minimally applied -- the airline could've just paid people to get off with a real offer, and not a dishonest offer where people suspect they're going to get tricked by funny coupons and vouchers.

Re:A man wouldn’t leave an overbooked United flight, so he w... by londons_explore on Monday April 10, 2017 @01:42PM (#14080806)
There seem to be no evidence in this case that non-violent methods weren't used first.

Surely the flight attendants politely asked the man to leave, and when he refused they called their manager who did the same, and only at that stage did they call the police, who also probably asked the man to leave first, before finally resorting to dragging him out.

At the end of the day, the plane is owned by United, and they have every right to uninvite him from their property, at which point he is trespassing, and it becomes a police matter. Sure, they might violate their own ToS on their tickets at that point, but that's a purely civil matter.

Re:A man wouldn’t leave an overbooked United flight, so he w... by nostrademons on Monday April 10, 2017 @04:28PM (#14082226)
But there's a really obvious non-violent option that they apparently didn't take: pay people more. If nobody gets off the plane at $800, raise the offer to $1K. Or $5K. Or $10K. Most other overbooking situations are resolved once the offer gets above $1k + hotel, but even if it was, I really doubt that they couldn't have found 4 volunteers at $10K/each. $40K is a lot less than this incident is going to cost them in brand damage, legal fees, and plane delays.
Re:A man wouldn’t leave an overbooked United flight, so he w... by dragonwriter on Monday April 10, 2017 @04:34PM (#14082279)
OTOH, demonstrating willingness to use force to boot people off the plane if there aren't volunteers should decrease their future cost of dealing with overbooking, because the perceived alternative to taking a buyout offer is no longer "sit pat and be guaranteed to keep my seat."
Re:A man wouldn’t leave an overbooked United flight, so he w... by nostrademons on Monday April 10, 2017 @04:52PM (#14082442)
Sure, but a whole lot of good that does you if people choose not to book with you in the first place because "Might get beaten up instead of transported to destination."
Re:A man wouldn’t leave an overbooked United flight, so he w... by ajmurmann on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @01:55AM (#14085200)
Yeah that would be nice. Unfortunately the air travel market is a fairly inefficient market. The cost of entry is super high, there are fairly few players and the big ones are good at doing nice nice with the government. In addition we allow them to undermine what little competition there is by creating their anti market alliances. I booked Air Canada to fly to Europe. I traveled via Canada to get away from US carriers. However, a few weeks before the trip they put us on a United flight because they are in some alliance together. Of course you frequently have very few reasonable options to begin with. It's a awfully broken market and I have no idea how we could possibly fix it. I constantly fly with airlines I hate (pretty much all American carriers but Virgin) because it's so cumbersome to avoid.
Re:A man wouldn’t leave an overbooked United flight, so he w... by Turing_Machine on Monday April 10, 2017 @09:28PM (#14084146)
Well, my perceived alternative is now "never fly on United again". Not that it'll make much difference, since I was already avoiding them.
Re:A man wouldn’t leave an overbooked United flight, so he w... by falcolas on Monday April 10, 2017 @02:46PM (#14081370)
> that's a purely civil matter.

Maybe, maybe not. Airlines are heavily subsidized by the US government in exchange for regulation so they will offer service to rural areas which might not otherwise be viable to run an airline into our out of. There are also laws and regulations which turn disobedience of airline personnel into a federal offense in particular situations.

Whether these, combined with this passenger's situation, turns this from a civil to a federal matter is something I'd leave for the lawyers.