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Re:A man wouldn’t leave an overbooked United flight, so he w... by AnimalMuppet on Monday April 10, 2017 @12:53PM (#14080176)
Yeah, the mistake was United's. But the passenger also acted unreasonably. If you act like a two-year-old - even in a situation that, initially, totally isn't your fault - then you may get treated like a two-year-old. And if you act like a two-year-old after the cops start telling you to leave, they're typically going to make you leave - using whatever level of force is required to do so.

So, yes, the initial fault is United's. But there's blame enough to go around.

Re:A man wouldn’t leave an overbooked United flight, so he w... by ajhurliman on Monday April 10, 2017 @01:11PM (#14080440)
I'm glad he did act out, though. Ultimately, he's doing so on our behalf as passengers. When United freaks out about negative PR they're conditioned to be more wary about pushing customers around.

If I were in his position I'd quietly fume about it and United would get more comfortable about booting people who have boarded without repercussions. It's pretty rare that passengers' cases get brought to light so it's kind of refreshing.

Re:A man wouldn’t leave an overbooked United flight, so he w... by SamBam on Monday April 10, 2017 @01:26PM (#14080639)
Exactly. 100% this.

If he had just left when the police arrived, as commenters above you are suggesting, then that would mean that the threat of violence was a successful solution to United's mistake, and we'd never have heard about it.

Re:A man wouldn’t leave an overbooked United flight, so he w... by cmurf on Monday April 10, 2017 @05:28PM (#14082717)
I agree. Someone who has committed no crime, and no breach of the contract of carriage, has the right if not the responsibility to resist police power. It's a misuse of power. United should not have requested police presence and the police should have refused to intervene.

Otherwise this becomes might makes right.

Re:A man wouldn’t leave an overbooked United flight, so he w... by whitepoplar on Monday April 10, 2017 @12:58PM (#14080259)
I don't think the passenger acted unreasonably. It's human nature to tell someone to "fuck off" when treated unethically, and it's fine to do so.
Re:A man wouldn’t leave an overbooked United flight, so he w... by CaptSpify on Monday April 10, 2017 @12:57PM (#14080237)
Since when is it acceptable to knock out a two-year old?
Re:A man wouldn’t leave an overbooked United flight, so he w... by denom on Monday April 10, 2017 @12:56PM (#14080235)
But if he had the right to his seat, then why should he leave?
Re:A man wouldn’t leave an overbooked United flight, so he w... by rhino369 on Monday April 10, 2017 @02:10PM (#14081080)
He didn't have the right to his seat. He had a carriage contract. Even if United breached the contract that doesn't allow you to trespass.

Trying to solve business disputes by force, which is what the passenger did by refusing to leaves, is bad policy.

Re:A man wouldn’t leave an overbooked United flight, so he w... by denom on Monday April 10, 2017 @04:25PM (#14082205)
I completely disagree. It was United and the police who tried to solve this with force. As I saw the video, there is no violent act from him and he should have been left alone.

It's amazing how Americans can justify the most extreme violence for the most petty of reasons. This incident was absolutely meaningless _until_ this man had his face bloodied.

There were a thousand different options, besides force. Do that instead!

Re:A man wouldn’t leave an overbooked United flight, so he w... by AnimalMuppet on Monday April 10, 2017 @01:19PM (#14080577)
Once the cops show up and tell him to? Because the cops told him to, that's why.

Note well: I am not saying that the cops are always right. I am not saying that we should all be good little citizens and obey whatever the authority figures tell us to do. I am saying that, in the actual world we live in, disobeying police orders will often involve painful physical consequences, almost immediately. You can argue about whether that should be. Fine. I'm saying that it is that way, though, and you'd better plan on it being that way in your situation before you decide to ignore what the cops tell you to do.

Re:A man wouldn’t leave an overbooked United flight, so he w... by FireBeyond on Monday April 10, 2017 @01:46PM (#14080847)
> I am not saying that we should all be good little citizens and obey whatever the authority figures tell us to do. I am saying that, in the actual world we live in, disobeying police orders will often involve painful physical consequences, almost immediately.

> Because the cops told him to, that's why.

"I am not saying obey authority figures whenever they tell us to do something. Even though I said in the previous sentence, 'because the cops told him to, that's why'."

Your note completely and utterly contradicts your previous statement. There is no way to reconcile them.

Re:A man wouldn’t leave an overbooked United flight, so he w... by AnimalMuppet on Monday April 10, 2017 @02:05PM (#14081033)
OK, let's try this again. I'm not saying that you should obey the police because they're authority figures, even if they're wrong. I'm saying that you should obey the police because they're going to physically hurt you (at least) if you don't.

That is, when the authority figures are morally in the wrong, you can make a case that the moral thing to do is to disobey them. But just in terms of the actual way things work in this less than perfect world, you'd better think seriously about the price you're going to pay for doing so. You can say "they shouldn't use force". Fine. But in the real world, they're going to use force.

So, no, I'm not contradicting myself. I'm speaking in two different senses. There's the ideal world, and there's the practical way things actually work. In the real world, if you disobey an order from the cops, it's going to hurt you, no matter how morally right you are.

Re:A man wouldn’t leave an overbooked United flight, so he w... by truth_sentinell on Monday April 10, 2017 @01:53PM (#14080921)
You have what's called a cognitive dissonance.
Re:A man wouldn’t leave an overbooked United flight, so he w... by LoSboccacc on Monday April 10, 2017 @01:00PM (#14080289)
but still, in the face of a passenger trespassing, you call cops and have it removed, not a burly man and have him beaten.
Re:A man wouldn’t leave an overbooked United flight, so he w... by Gracana on Monday April 10, 2017 @01:46PM (#14080851)
They could have gotten someone who looked more like a cop to do the beating, but that would be the only difference. Cops are often poorly trained, out of practice, and in bad health. It's easiest for them to fall back on beating you with whatever tools they have available until they are satisfied that you will comply (or that the question of compliance is no longer relevant.)