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Re:A man wouldn’t leave an overbooked United flight, so he w... by FireBeyond on Monday April 10, 2017 @01:46PM (#14080847)
> I am not saying that we should all be good little citizens and obey whatever the authority figures tell us to do. I am saying that, in the actual world we live in, disobeying police orders will often involve painful physical consequences, almost immediately.

> Because the cops told him to, that's why.

"I am not saying obey authority figures whenever they tell us to do something. Even though I said in the previous sentence, 'because the cops told him to, that's why'."

Your note completely and utterly contradicts your previous statement. There is no way to reconcile them.

Re:A man wouldn’t leave an overbooked United flight, so he w... by AnimalMuppet on Monday April 10, 2017 @02:05PM (#14081033)
OK, let's try this again. I'm not saying that you should obey the police because they're authority figures, even if they're wrong. I'm saying that you should obey the police because they're going to physically hurt you (at least) if you don't.

That is, when the authority figures are morally in the wrong, you can make a case that the moral thing to do is to disobey them. But just in terms of the actual way things work in this less than perfect world, you'd better think seriously about the price you're going to pay for doing so. You can say "they shouldn't use force". Fine. But in the real world, they're going to use force.

So, no, I'm not contradicting myself. I'm speaking in two different senses. There's the ideal world, and there's the practical way things actually work. In the real world, if you disobey an order from the cops, it's going to hurt you, no matter how morally right you are.