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Re:Ride-hailing apps may help to curb drunk driving by Broken_Hippo on Thursday April 06, 2017 @05:02AM (#14048991)
I used to think the same - I've lived in plenty of places with no public transportation. No choice, I'd say, bemoaning the lack of decent public transport.

But then I was in a similar situation off in a small town in Norway. I was at a 80th birthday party in a small town. Most of the attendees were drunk. Everyone already knew someone to take them home, and organized themselves accordingly, some waiting a bit for the sober driver to return empty. A few found someone at the party (my spouse)- and then proceeded to drink. It was nearly surreal to be in the situation.

The truth is that in the states, it is OK to say, "I've only had X beers, so I'm ok to drive." IT is socailly acceptable behavior. And no one really keeps track most times, so if they seem sober enough to us or we know better, we'll let them go. The acceptable BAC level is much lower here - one beer can send you over the limit - and penalties are harsher, so that could be a major factor as well.

Re:Ride-hailing apps may help to curb drunk driving by arnsholt on Thursday April 06, 2017 @08:12AM (#14049824)
IIRC, the legal limit in Norway us basically the measurement error of the BAC tests; basically you should fail if you've had anything at all to drink.
Re:Ride-hailing apps may help to curb drunk driving by Broken_Hippo on Thursday April 06, 2017 @09:19AM (#14050209)
That was one of those things my Norwegian spouse made sure I knew beforehand. It is .02 or something like that, and I believe it is measured slightly differently.

He's also said that I can get penalized - through loss of license and other means - just by being a sober passenger with a drunk driver. It benefits me to make sure the other person is sober.

Re:Ride-hailing apps may help to curb drunk driving by dsfyu404ed on Thursday April 06, 2017 @04:13PM (#14054167)
This makes me very uneasy.

If their field equipment is anything like SCRAM bracelets (same basic technology as a Breathalyzer) they're cutting all sorts of corners (demanding precise readings out of sensors that are running well outside their recommended operating environment with less calibration than recommended) and throwing false positives left and right.

Drunk driving penalties are too stiff to play fast and loose like that.

Re:Ride-hailing apps may help to curb drunk driving by rrrhys on Thursday April 06, 2017 @05:50PM (#14054980)
In Australia, we're breathalyzed and if it's positive we go back to the police station/mobile testing unit for a blood test, so the breathalyzer is really only an early indicator.
Re:Ride-hailing apps may help to curb drunk driving by shakna on Friday April 07, 2017 @10:38PM (#14064976)
> Vidar Refvik, director of police at the Justice Ministry, said police will use the same combination of "breathalyser" and blood tests to enforce the new law as they did the old one. He predicted the lower limit will yield anywhere from 1,000 to 1,500 more arrests, a rise of about 15-20 percent.

Seems like Norway would be the same.

Re:Ride-hailing apps may help to curb drunk driving by darkcube on Thursday April 06, 2017 @10:23AM (#14050745)
can a drunk passenger of a drunk driver be penalized as well?
Re:Ride-hailing apps may help to curb drunk driving by Broken_Hippo on Thursday April 06, 2017 @11:51AM (#14051673)
That I'm not sure of, but I don't think so. Assumedly, the sober person is supposed to have the wherewithal to understand the danger the drunk driver is putting themselves and others. On the other hand, the drunk passenger might well be more drunk than the driver and be too impaired to make that judgement.
Re:Ride-hailing apps may help to curb drunk driving by seanmcdirmid on Thursday April 06, 2017 @10:47AM (#14050971)
Thinking? I'm not thinking it is ok! No no, I'm just saying why people are idiotic enough to do this.

The BAC level now for Utah is .05. It isn't like all of the US states are slouching. Of course, Utah is different from the deep south.

Re:Ride-hailing apps may help to curb drunk driving by Broken_Hippo on Thursday April 06, 2017 @11:47AM (#14051636)
Sorry for that confusion. I quite understood and took it as a "collective thought", for lack of better words. I've heard the excuse from folks quite often and always thought it was a bit ridiculous, especially with the sideline, "but it isn't good to drink alone!". My personal solution was better public transport.
Re:Ride-hailing apps may help to curb drunk driving by dmoy on Thursday April 06, 2017 @12:27PM (#14052038)
It's actually still .08, not .05 (yet). It will be in about 1.75 years from now if there's no successful repeal before then. Given the LDS majority in the state, good chance it will stand in some form.
Re:Ride-hailing apps may help to curb drunk driving by elliotec on Thursday April 06, 2017 @01:13PM (#14052504)
This is the least important issue of all time but somehow it is getting the most press. It should just pass and be done with. By the way I get annoyed when people say LDS is the majority here - LDS only makes up 41% of the entire state, and closer to 30% in SLC. The citizens aren't voting on this bill anyway.
Re:Ride-hailing apps may help to curb drunk driving by areyousure on Thursday April 06, 2017 @10:20PM (#14056574)
For anyone looking into this, the first sentence of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Utah#Religion literally says "A majority of the state's residents are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church)."

The lowball estimates of 41% come from things like the following: "Professor Tim Heaton, who studies LDS demographics for church-owned Brigham Young University, says the county numbers probably come from church membership rolls, and that between half and one-third of those people are not active in the faith. If that's true, then, at most, 41.6 percent of Utahns are church-going Mormons." (2005 source http://archive.sltrib.com/story.php?ref=/ci_2886596 ) It's at least slightly nontrivial to decide on the right definition, but I think church membership is a perfectly fine measurement.

As such, almost every other publication and measurement supports the "obvious" claim that Utah has a Mormon majority of (60+some)% and even Salt Lake County may have a (50+epsilon)% Mormon majority.

Exampe source from 2014: http://www.sltrib.com/news/1842825-155/mormon-populace-picks...

Re:Ride-hailing apps may help to curb drunk driving by ythn on Thursday April 06, 2017 @01:44PM (#14052771)
> By the way I get annoyed when people say LDS is the majority here

Are you annoyed that the entire state was founded by LDS pioneers? Without the mormons, Utah would be west colorado wasteland or another desolate, sparsely populated state like Wyoming.

And 41% can be a majority depending on how you break down the remaining 59%

Re:Ride-hailing apps may help to curb drunk driving by elliotec on Thursday April 06, 2017 @02:12PM (#14053014)
No, why would I be annoyed about the history of the founding of the west? I am very very familiar with it.

I'm only annoyed that people have been stating that same old statistic which hasn't been true for at least a decade.

41% is never a majority. https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majority

Re:Ride-hailing apps may help to curb drunk driving by ythn on Thursday April 06, 2017 @03:14PM (#14053640)
> I'm only annoyed that people have been stating that same old statistic which hasn't been true for at least a decade.

Do you have a source? Wikipedia seems to still support the "same old statistic" in a lot of ways and indicates by all accounts an LDS majority in Utah.

Re:Ride-hailing apps may help to curb drunk driving by ythn on Thursday April 06, 2017 @02:42PM (#14053313)
> 41% is never a majority

In my country, 41% of people are red party, 38% are blue party, and 21% are green party. Which party has the majority share of voters?

Re:Ride-hailing apps may help to curb drunk driving by dnadler on Thursday April 06, 2017 @04:00PM (#14054058)
I think you're confusing 'majority' and 'plurality'.
Re:Ride-hailing apps may help to curb drunk driving by ythn on Thursday April 06, 2017 @04:20PM (#14054214)
My mistake, you are correct - plurality is the correct word here.

In my example the party with plurality can capture the majority of the vote, but that doesn't necessarily mean the party itself is a majority.

Re:Ride-hailing apps may help to curb drunk driving by tgjsrkghruksd on Friday April 07, 2017 @12:16AM (#14057088)
I really doubt the penalties are harsher in Norway.