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Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by akiselev on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @05:38PM (#14045879)
For those who don't recognize the name, this is the same judge that learned some Java for the Oracle v. Google case (and has an undergrad degree in mathematics). Every time I read his name I know it's going to be a fun ride and the lawyers will not be able to get away with anywhere near as much shenanigans as they usually do. Although his ruling regarding API copyright in the Google case was overturned, he has a really strong record of making judgments that stand the test of appeals.

I vote Alsup for Ginsberg's seat.

Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by faitswulff on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @05:46PM (#14045934)
Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by abhgh on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @07:21PM (#14046594)
I was about to comment this. You don't mess around with this highly functional a judge ;-)
Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by kupiakos on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @08:43PM (#14047017)
He wanted to bring purity to the US justice system.
Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by dangoldin on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @10:25PM (#14047430)
I wish his behavior led to some side effects on the justice system.
Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by matt4077 on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @11:43PM (#14047770)
The courts are actually pretty first-class. Take a look at the transcript posted elsewhere in this thread for a reference to the transparency of the system, and how this judge is defending it. Supreme Court cases also make for pretty fun reading sometimes, and there's no denying that judges tend to be extremely smart and conscientious.
Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by nstj on Thursday April 06, 2017 @01:45AM (#14048232)
He's definitely the kind of judge who is able to avoid all kinds of procedural problems which are typically an issue in this type of justice system.
Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by kazinator on Thursday April 06, 2017 @10:31AM (#14050814)
Strictly typed, lazy evaluator?
Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by nstj on Thursday April 06, 2017 @01:50AM (#14048255)
Unrelated but I heard that after a fair bit of therapy he was able to get rid of his childhood lisp too?
Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by Shinchy on Thursday April 06, 2017 @05:45AM (#14049168)
That... is actually quite a cool name.
Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by tronje on Thursday April 06, 2017 @06:27AM (#14049346)
I'm not sure if you mean the judge's entire name or the name 'Haskell', but just in case you didn't know: Haskell (the language), as well as the functional concept of currying were both named after a mathematician called Haskell Curry :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haskell_Curry

Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by dllthomas on Thursday April 06, 2017 @06:32AM (#14049359)
> both named after a mathematician called Haskell Curry

... who, purportedly, hated his name :-P

Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by sova on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @09:14PM (#14047164)
Dude he learned Java for a court case? My respect for this man grows immense. What a G.

I wish more people were like this "I need some more domain-knowledge to understand what's at stake? no problem, let me do some learning." Excellent attitude.

Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by dlgeek on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @11:31PM (#14047719)
Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by visarga on Thursday April 06, 2017 @01:17AM (#14048115)
> The judge is interested in learning the basic technology and learning publicly known art. This would be a good opportunity for a young lawyer to present in court.

How thoughtful to promote young lawyers like that! Nice judge.

Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by toomanybeersies on Thursday April 06, 2017 @12:22AM (#14047908)
Interesting to note from the pdf titles that they use Wordperfect. I didn't even know it still existed.
Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by mikekchar on Thursday April 06, 2017 @01:34AM (#14048201)
Word Perfect is used for many court cases because it is the only WYSIWYG word processor that paginates footnotes according to the US legal rules. In fact, it had a lock on the DoJ market for ages (and maybe still does) based solely on that. Word could never accommodate it because it breaks backwards compatibility (and whatever you say about MS's shady past, this is something that they stuck to even though it cost them a fair amount). I worked on WP when Corel first acquired it...
Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by CobrastanJorji on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @05:55PM (#14045997)
I don't know where this guy stands on the political spectrum, but I know that I respect the crap out of him. He's got my support!
Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by rlonstein on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @06:05PM (#14046074)
Ideally, his political leanings are not involved in his judicial decisions.

For whatever it's worth he clerked for the FDR-appointed justice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_O._Douglas, was in the US Dept. of Justice under Carter and Reagan, was appointed to the federal court by Clinton, and is a registered Democrat.

Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by ExactoKnight on Thursday April 06, 2017 @05:02AM (#14048989)
We need more judges outside of the D.C. circuit. Technology knowledge is SORELY lacking among the current crop, for that reason alone we need a voice like his.
Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by bartvk on Thursday April 06, 2017 @01:20AM (#14048134)
> don't know where this guy stands on the political spectrum

(N/W-European here) Is that really a thing that US citizens pay attention to?

Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by freehunter on Thursday April 06, 2017 @10:26AM (#14050774)
Judges are supposed to be non-partisan, but in reality a small number of decisions come down to what basically amounts to personal preference. There are sometimes laws and decisions supporting both sides of the argument and the judge is allowed to pick, as long as they can back it up with prior rulings or laws supporting their decision. Once the judge picks, that sets a precedent for future judges to rule the same way since judges tend to value a stable set of rulings and rarely overturn previous decisions (after all the appeals are settled out, of course) unless something major has changed since then.

So if a particular ruling comes down to personal preference and a judge personally leans conservative, they'll likely rule in a conservative fashion on those small number of cases. If they lean liberal, they'll likely rule in a liberal fashion. You often see this in Supreme Court decisions where the justices are split along political lines, with the conservative justices ruling for the conservative side of the argument and the liberal justices ruling for the liberal side.

That being said, the political stance of most lower judges doesn't matter as they have little impact on case law and few opportunities to make political decisions in their job.

Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by WalterSear on Thursday April 06, 2017 @02:04AM (#14048302)
You have to :(
Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by matt4077 on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @07:10PM (#14046531)
I like this little jab at Otto:

" If his truck driving company gets shut down because of theft of trade secrets on a record that he's not willing to deny, too bad for him. Too bad."

Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by chadcmulligan on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @08:17PM (#14046889)
Indeed he's the judge Judy of tech IP trials. The java one was the first I'd ever bothered following on a regular basis, very entertaining.
Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by debaserab2 on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @08:17PM (#14046892)
Judge Judy isn't even an actual judge, so I certainly hope he isn't the judge judy of tech IP trials.
Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by dottrap on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @08:33PM (#14046967)
Judge Judy was a New York judge from 1982–1996, starting as a criminal court judge and then promoted to supervising family court judge in Manhattan, until her retirement (followed by tv show).
Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by chadcmulligan on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @08:33PM (#14046968)
Isn't she? Things I learn :-/
Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by eco on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @08:52PM (#14047059)
Those shows are pretty interesting. The judges aren't real judges (though most of them were judges in the past). You might wonder, as I did, why on earth defendants who are often obviously in the wrong, would agree to go on the show. The way they often work is if the plaintiff wins their judgement fee is paid by the producers of the show (not the defendant). If the defendant wins both parties receive an appearance fee. It's a binding arbitration as well so going on the show is a great deal for the defendant because there is no financial repercussions to them, it may get them out of a potential judgement in a real civil court, and they might even make some money. All it costs them is potentially looking like an idiot on national television.
Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by marklyon on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @09:42PM (#14047270)
Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by eco on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @10:15PM (#14047396)
He's a real, acting municipal judge (unlike the daytime television judge shows I'm talking about).

Edit: I'd like to add that the Crimetown podcast about Providence, Rhode Island is fantastic.

Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by sova on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @09:16PM (#14047173)
Thanks a lot for explaining that. I always wondered in the back of my mind how it actually fit into the legal system. Now I know it doesn't at all! But, I'm glad the participants at least have some fiscal benefit in the end
Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by eloff on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @08:04PM (#14046838)
This is a judge that I respect. He should be on the Supreme Court.
Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by d_t_w on Thursday April 06, 2017 @02:28AM (#14048396)
In the USA do judges get assigned to cases because of their prior demonstrated ability to grasp a particular industry - or is this just a coincidence?
Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by SolarNet on Thursday April 06, 2017 @04:11AM (#14048809)
It's often by self-selected committee. All the judges (or their aides) get in a room and they divvy up the cases among themselves. There is often some other things that effect that too (like "on call" judges who handle various time sensitive proceedings, or agreed upon ways to split up cases nobody wants).

So judges can be assigned cases they are interested in or suited for through that system.

Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by Tomte on Thursday April 06, 2017 @06:10AM (#14049274)
Wow, I never realized that. In Germany judges must be selected "in abstract" beforehand, so that when a case is filed the judge is already determined.

And the court's secretary must under no circumstances tell anyone who is next in rotation (most courts use some sort of modified rotational system), not even the judges!

Any deviation would make certain that revision would be granted.

Re:Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee... by ianamartin on Thursday April 06, 2017 @12:52AM (#14047997)
Can we not get ahead of things here? Maybe put him in Scalia's seat before we worry about Ginsberg? :)