What makes us Red Hat

Re:What makes us Red Hat by tapoxi on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @01:58PM (#14044098)

I agree, but they've certainly come a long way. When I started with Red Hat 6.2, the dependency hell of installing RPMs from random websites and using the (almost never functional) up2date left me with an awful taste in my mouth as I jumped ship to Debian and the "just works" experience of apt-get.

After switching to Fedora because we're using CentOS at work, I've come to like it. DNF and yum are fine replacements for APT. A PPA analog (copr) is just a 'dnf copr enable user/project_name'. 'dnf history' shows every transaction on my system and makes it easy to undo installations.

The only things I don't like on an out-of-the-box Fedora installation are the stupid, touchscreen sized title bars in GNOME 3 and SELinux - which is fortunately easily disabled.

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Re:What makes us Red Hat by curt15 on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @04:10PM (#14045161)

>The only things I don't like on an out-of-the-box Fedora installation are the stupid, touchscreen sized title bars in GNOME 3 and SELinux - which is fortunately easily disabled.

What does one do to fix the title bars?

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Re:What makes us Red Hat by groks on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @04:22PM (#14045276)

  cat << EOF > ~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css

  /* Make window title bars more compact.
   *
   * From: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/276951
   */

  headerbar entry,
  headerbar spinbutton,
  headerbar button,
  headerbar separator {
      margin-top: 2px; /* same as headerbar side padding for nicer proportions */
      margin-bottom: 2px;
  }

  EOF

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Re:What makes us Red Hat by overcast on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @02:26PM (#14044355)

Debian and apt-get are the final Linux distribution / package manager I will ever use. Fifteen years of compiling dependency hell, never again.

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Re:What makes us Red Hat by dralley on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @02:54PM (#14044564)

I think the point is, there is no more dependency hell.

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Re:What makes us Red Hat by lima on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @05:39PM (#14045887)

Exactly. Using both in production, zero dependency hell. yum and dnf are great.

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Re:What makes us Red Hat by thomastjeffery on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @06:43PM (#14046352)

You're missing out. Nix is a fantastic package manager with features that apt (and similar) simply do not have. NixOS is not perfect yet, but it's very usable, and quickly improving.

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Re:What makes us Red Hat by greenhouse_gas on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @10:19PM (#14047410)

Can't say this enough. You write a config script for your OS and run it.

Need to set up device #25?

Upload and run. You're guaranteed to get the same system as device #24,23...

You can keep it in source control, etc.

If it (or guix - no systemd FTW) takes off, I can't imagine using another distro again.

Unfortunately, though, it doesn't have enough maintainers yet (a year or so ago nginx was some 4 or 5 versions behind, and they definitely don't do backports/LTS).

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Re:What makes us Red Hat by thomastjeffery on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @10:28PM (#14047441)

The biggest problem Nix[OS] has right now is documentation. The wiki is deprecated, but still the only source for explanation of several key parts of the system. nix-shell is fantastic, but hard to learn simply because there is no specific place to learn. Nix language really needs some clear documentation so a user can understand how to get from "I don't have X" to "I have a working default.nix for X, and X installed in my environment."

GuixSD seems nice, but seems to have no method for installing non-free software, which is, unfortunately, necessary for many setups.

One thing I would like to have is a Nix/Guix wrapper for Debian packages (and possibly other packages/distros), so I could take advantage of Debian's robust ecosystem, and NixOS/GuixSD's totally functional environment.

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Re:What makes us Red Hat by greenhouse_gas on Thursday April 06, 2017 @12:35AM (#14047943)

My problem with documentation isn't so much that the nix language is so hard, but that a nix's package configuration's is (obviously) not the same as upstream.

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Re:What makes us Red Hat by lima on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @05:58PM (#14046018)

Stop disabling SELinux, though. It works fine out of the box and even though I never needed to on my workstation, it's easy to fix issues.

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