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Re:Would you accept a buyout offer that made you rich but yo... by ericb on Tuesday March 18, 2008 @09:12PM (#140405)
This goes to an area where economics hasn't caught up to reality yet. If you watch Deal or No Deal, many economists would say contestants are making a mistake (being irrational, unlike the ideal homo economicus) when they accept a deal that is significantly lower than the average value of the cases remaining.

What they miss is that dollars offer diminishing returns at scale, so the decision is rational. Going from 0 to 100,000 dollars is very different life-style wise than 3 million to 3,100,000. Because those first dollars are "worth" so much more, and because the upside of the best outcome is not worth as much proportionally, the decision is rational (although people are often being irrational in other ways in this game).

In your case, I suggest you consider your BATNA (Best Alternative to a Negotiated Agreement) and estimate their interest, then consider countering. You can only negotiate your "best deal" when you're willing to walk away. If you're not willing to walk, you play it safe and "make a deal."

Edit: Keep in mind, if you counter, the worst they can say is no, and you can often still acquiesce to their original offer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_alternative_to_a_negotiate...

Re:Would you accept a buyout offer that made you rich but yo... by yummyfajitas on Tuesday March 18, 2008 @10:37PM (#140473)
I think economics caught up with reality a long time ago (in this respect). Last time I saw the end of that stupid show, I was yelling at the TV:

"Maximize your utility function, not the money, moron!"

(I'm not an economist, but I talk like one.)

Re:Would you accept a buyout offer that made you rich but yo... by reitzensteinm on Tuesday March 18, 2008 @11:21PM (#140504)
You're totally right about the phenomenon. But it is well understood in economics - it's called marginal utility and it's in any Economics 101.
Re:Would you accept a buyout offer that made you rich but yo... by ericb on Tuesday March 18, 2008 @11:32PM (#140510)
"The implicit assumption of conventional economics is that the only relevant metric is the magnitude of the absolute change in expenditure." I'm not the first person to say this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_aversion#Can_loss_aversion...

Re:Would you accept a buyout offer that made you rich but yo... by reitzensteinm on Tuesday March 18, 2008 @11:46PM (#140517)
I'm no economist, I just took a few units a while ago, but I'm pretty sure that's not an implicit assumption, because marginal utility is an important part of economics.

In fact the article you linked to says exactly that:

"All of the above effects can be expressed in terms of the utility function of money, and, in particular, not regarding money as a linear measure of utility. In other words, if money has diminishing marginal utility, then each dollar is worth less than the one before it. To use the example before, the first $1000 might be worth $1000 to a person, and the second $1000 worth only $950 (in terms of utility). This would not be "loss aversion" but just a phenomenon adequately explained by economic theory."

Re:Would you accept a buyout offer that made you rich but yo... by ericb on Wednesday March 19, 2008 @12:46AM (#140545)
At that point in the link they're going over counter-arguments to the standard line.

Anyhow, I agree marginal utility is well understood by economists, just disagree that that is the standard way dollars themselves are viewed in classic economic theory. And perhaps I over-reached when I built my straw economist.