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Re:The Mac Pro Lives by bobochan on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @11:04AM (#14033364)
Notepad??? OS X has shipped with both emacs and vim since Day 1. I'm sorry, but you seem quite unfamiliar with Macs.

You are correct, I would never suggest anyone have an FTP client; I have that service turned off on every machine I administer. SSH / SFTP are fundamental tools however.

Re:The Mac Pro Lives by Godel_unicode on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @11:28AM (#14033656)
> SSH / SFTP are fundamental tools

They are provided out of the box (and newer versions than OSX ships with) by WSL. As is vim, emacs, apt, etc.

Re:The Mac Pro Lives by ovao on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @12:51PM (#14034748)
They are provided in WSL, but the Windows Subsystem for Linux is a separate install atop Windows, and the installation process is currently very complex and lengthy.
Re:The Mac Pro Lives by wtetzner on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @11:56AM (#14089250)
The installation process is not at all complex. You just have to turn on developer mode and check the box that says you want to enable WSL.
Re:The Mac Pro Lives by Godel_unicode on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @01:44PM (#14035334)
Windows key, type "developer mode", hit enter, click "developer mode" (or 3x tabs, space, enter). PowerShell, send "lxrun /install /y"

Done. Pro-tip. Pin PowerShell to your taskbar and drag all the way left. Now you can open it with win+1.

Edit: now with no mouse required!

Re:The Mac Pro Lives by mrkstu on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @03:40PM (#14036436)
After going to the Windows store and upgrading to Windows Pro. That's another advantage of OS X- no need to target various OS revisions- the baseline OS IS the OS.
Re:The Mac Pro Lives by Godel_unicode on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @05:56PM (#14037603)
I just sort of assume if you're a developer that you buy the developer version of your software :)

Edit: for reference, home also doesn't come with bitlocker (!?), Domain join, Group Policy, client hyper-v, and others. Don't buy home to do work.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsforbusiness/compare

Re:The Mac Pro Lives by ovao on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @03:56PM (#14036578)
You've missed a step. After enabling Developer Mode, you need to enable support for WSL in Programs and Features, then restart Windows.
Re:The Mac Pro Lives by Godel_unicode on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @05:55PM (#14037592)
When I tested it on my laptop out of the box that was not the case. Maybe Dell does that on the xps line...?
Re:The Mac Pro Lives by Neeek on Thursday April 06, 2017 @09:15PM (#14056247)
Am i going mad? Windows has a command line ftp tool, I used it this morning. Is it just a Windows 10 thing? because it was also on my netbook running 8.1 out of the box.
Re:The Mac Pro Lives by bobochan on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @11:36AM (#14033780)
Excellent point. WSL is certainly a step in the right direction.
Re:The Mac Pro Lives by maccard on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @06:33PM (#14037881)
Apooogies, I forgot that it ships with emacs and vim. So you use the vanilla installations of emacs and vim for your editing? Or do you download a more recent version and configure plugins? Notepad is a perfectly adequate editor if you need to quickly change a config value, but I wouldn't consider it a usable day to day tool. Nor would I consider a vanilla vim install with no customisation a usable day to day tool.

> I would never suggest anyone have an FTP client; I have that service turned off on every machine I administer. SSH / SFTP are fundamental tools however.

Pedantry at its finest.

I have neither ssh nor sftp on my workstation and I have no need for either.