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Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by raverbashing on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @02:42AM (#14030097)
I can't believe people are still buying any "cloud powered" crap for their homes

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice...

Don't buy anything "cloud powered/IoT stuff" unless you know what you are doing and the product has been vetted by the general public and you're aware that there will be breaches

Right now the number of IoT stuff I intend to buy is Zero

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by morganvachon on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @07:33AM (#14031469)
I made a decision long ago that any "IoT" or "cloud" based physical device in my home will be one that I build myself and that I control access to exclusively. So far, I haven't been motivated by the current commercial offerings to build a clone of any of them, though I'm considering a homebrew Echo clone just because I'm fascinated by voice recognition and voice control.

The Raspberry Pi, with the release of the Zero W, has finally hit the point where it's feasible and affordable to hack together such a device and keep the build cost under the sale price of the Amazon Echo Dot.

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by herbst on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @08:00AM (#14031604)
Until you realize there are no voice recognation softwares that work well enough to not use Google or Amazon on the backend.
Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by mizzao on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @10:15AM (#14032790)
Yep, cloud-based deep learning bla bla bla.

There is an actual reason to use the cloud for apps like this: there is enough data to power the machine learning algorithms at scale. Although I'm a hardware hacker I know I'd never be able to build a homebrew Echo running completely in my own house.

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by yunolisten on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @06:45AM (#14031240)
> I can't believe people are still buying any "cloud powered" crap for their homes

This should be closer to the top :) Sadly many consumers don't understand exactly what they're buying into.

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by tomc1985 on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @04:06AM (#14030484)
There are already established protocols in this space that never needed and do not require a cloud connection, let alone internet. (I forget their names, but industrial control automation has a long history) Why can't device makers simply speak the language?
Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by dawnerd on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @04:48AM (#14030686)
It's not so much the protocol since most of the devices are either z-wave or zigbee (BTLE is growing). All of those can operate without a network connection - it's just the companies that decided that the hub needs to store everything in the cloud. I believe the new smarthings hub can operate offline.

I've been slowly upgrading stuff in my house but steering clear of wifi only devices. They just don't work that well to begin with. Only exception being my nest thermostat - but that can even work offline, just with limited functionality.

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by vkou on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @04:27AM (#14030592)
A few reasons.

1. Ignorance.

2. Not-invented-here syndrome.

3. They want to own your IOT ecosystem with their proprietary protocol.

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by mnw21cam on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @03:58AM (#14030460)
> vetted by the general public

Or preferably vetted by Matthew Garrett. (I'm not sure - has he actually given a clean bill of health to any cloud powered/IoT device?)