Yevgeny Yevtushenko has died

Re:Yevgeny Yevtushenko has died by ivanb on Monday April 03, 2017 @02:27AM (#14020961)

Soviet Union was an international country inhabited by soviet people. The policy was to not segregate by ethnicity as much as possible. Of course there was some residual antisemitism but Babi Yar was presented as a tragedy for soviet people in general not for any specific ethnicity. The spin on the story to specify that it were the jews who were shot segregates jews from the rest of soviet people. This would be an approach of a racist.

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Re:Yevgeny Yevtushenko has died by sratner on Monday April 03, 2017 @03:39AM (#14021181)

And yet, passports said "Ethnicity: Jew". "Ukrainian". "Georgian". For a country inhabited by Soviet people, it had a surprising lack of people identified as simply Soviet in their documents; hard to have it both ways.

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Re:Yevgeny Yevtushenko has died by ivanb on Monday April 03, 2017 @05:31AM (#14021576)

This is a weak argument. EU and US passports also have fields for nationality. It doesn't make neither EU nor US inherently racist.

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Re:Yevgeny Yevtushenko has died by sratner on Monday April 03, 2017 @05:48AM (#14021642)

I have a few in front of me.

From a US passport: "Nationality: United States of America"

From an Australian passport: "Nationality: Australian"

I have not seen an EU passport, but as far as I know EU does not claim ideological erasure of any national identity in favour of some ideal "European".

[Edit: No accusation of racism had been made, whether I believe it to exist or not. The point is that it is difficult to claim ethnic identity does not exist, while explicitly highlighting it at every opportunity. The two countries I single out above make a point of being "melting pots", and are much more consistent in applying that.]

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Re:Yevgeny Yevtushenko has died by stuaxo on Monday April 03, 2017 @09:57AM (#14022760)

A British one has:

Country Code: GBR Nationality: British Citizen

Along with the town of birth, which is not enough to get any more information about ethnicity than you could from the name and picture.

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Re:Yevgeny Yevtushenko has died by angry_octet on Monday April 03, 2017 @08:29AM (#14022259)

I have to admire the European love of sophistry as an end in itself, for surely you have not advaned the argument.

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Re:Yevgeny Yevtushenko has died by vasilipupkin on Monday April 03, 2017 @06:25AM (#14021764)

Soviet passports had a field for ethnicity, not nationality. A French citizen of Arab descent doesn't have "Arab" anywhere in the passport, does she ? Soviet passports did

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Re:Yevgeny Yevtushenko has died by danmaz74 on Monday April 03, 2017 @03:31AM (#14021156)

But the Nazis were in fact applying overtly racist policies. Admitting this fact doesn't make you a racist. Denying it instead makes you a liar or even a negationist.

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Re:Yevgeny Yevtushenko has died by ivanb on Monday April 03, 2017 @05:37AM (#14021602)

This fact was properly recorded. Neither was it denied.

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Re:Yevgeny Yevtushenko has died by PerfectDlite on Monday April 03, 2017 @01:38PM (#14025074)

So they've created a garbage dump in the Babiy Yar... for what? To "properly record" it?

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Re:Yevgeny Yevtushenko has died by javabean22 on Monday April 03, 2017 @04:52AM (#14021427)

Bullshit. The Soviet Union was "internationalist" on paper only. It was anti-semitic and racist in reality.

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