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Re:The F-35 still has a long way to go by weego on Sunday April 02, 2017 @12:28AM (#14015780)
Planes don't toe-to-toe with other planes anymore.
Re:The F-35 still has a long way to go by burnallofit on Sunday April 02, 2017 @12:37AM (#14015802)
As it says in the article... then why does it have a gun?

One of its primary purposes is air-to-air. Don't take my word for it: https://www.f35.com/about/capabilities

Re:The F-35 still has a long way to go by gozur88 on Sunday April 02, 2017 @04:50AM (#14016461)
It has a gun because pilots don't feel comfortable without a gun. It makes no sense, but fifty years ago the USAF jumped the gun a little bit on air-to-air missiles, and whenever someone points out the gun is a stupid thing to include on a modern strike fighter people bring up this fifty year old problem.

The A version of the F-35 has three seconds worth of gun ammo. It would only be two seconds, but there's some lag between the trigger pull and the gun being fully spun up.

Re:The F-35 still has a long way to go by cm2187 on Sunday April 02, 2017 @03:02AM (#14016238)
The gun is also for close air support, if I understand the article.
Re:The F-35 still has a long way to go by kodfodrasz on Sunday April 02, 2017 @03:38AM (#14016316)
For CAS these planes are simply not good for. For that role A-10 or Super Tucano like cheaper planes are needed, because those planes are more efficient for that role.
Re:The F-35 still has a long way to go by astrodust on Sunday April 02, 2017 @01:37AM (#14015974)
They do in simulations and exercises.
Re:The F-35 still has a long way to go by AlexCoventry on Sunday April 02, 2017 @12:39AM (#14015808)
Then what was its role? Did it do anything existing planes struggle with?
Re:The F-35 still has a long way to go by everyone on Sunday April 02, 2017 @03:02AM (#14016237)
Its role is to transfer US tax money to the military industrial complex, and its suceeding magnificently! That also pretty much seems to be the main reason behind US wars these days.
Re:The F-35 still has a long way to go by samstave on Sunday April 02, 2017 @12:18PM (#14017655)
+1

This is why Dick Cheney exists!

This is why he went from sec defense, setting policy for contractors, to heading haliburton, to VP underling of GHW and starting a new war - the longest, most expensive war the US has ever known.

Now lets bolt on a new defense project to funnel even more money...

Why do you think Tom Ridge left DHS to join the board of Lockheed??? MIC revolving door.

Re:The F-35 still has a long way to go by strictnein on Sunday April 02, 2017 @12:58AM (#14015866)
It'll eat up the next gen fighters coming out of China and Russia. The F-16 would struggle with that.

Of course, the F-22 would eat them up as well, but it's a stealth air superiority fighter while the F-35 is a stealth multi-purpose strike fighter.

Re:The F-35 still has a long way to go by astrodust on Sunday April 02, 2017 @01:39AM (#14015975)
The F-35 is a great plane until it runs out of missiles.
Re:The F-35 still has a long way to go by cm2187 on Sunday April 02, 2017 @03:02AM (#14016242)
...until it runs out of its two missiles.
Re:The F-35 still has a long way to go by valuearb on Sunday April 02, 2017 @02:29AM (#14016115)
The F-35 is a great plane until it gets anywhere near its adversaries, then it gets destroyed by 3rd gen fighters.

But at least it's also a terrible ground attack plane and bomber too.

Re:The F-35 still has a long way to go by samstave on Sunday April 02, 2017 @12:20PM (#14017661)
I'm of the opinion that our AF should consist entirely of A-10s and F-16s
Re:The F-35 still has a long way to go by AlexCoventry on Sunday April 02, 2017 @01:00AM (#14015873)
That wasn't the question, though.
Re:The F-35 still has a long way to go by strictnein on Sunday April 02, 2017 @01:05AM (#14015888)
Thought you were more broadly asking what its role in general was.

If you're asking what its role was in that specific strike: Israel doesn't have any other stealth capabilities. So its role would be to fly over troubled territory rather freely, given the capabilities in the region. The F-15s and F-16s they have can't do that.

Re:The F-35 still has a long way to go by valuearb on Sunday April 02, 2017 @02:30AM (#14016120)
The drones they have can do that far more cheaply.
Re:The F-35 still has a long way to go by AlexCoventry on Sunday April 02, 2017 @01:22AM (#14015926)
It's confusing to call that combat as a rebuttal to the flaws highlighted in this report.