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Re:Australia hasn't had a recession for over 25 years by contingencies on Friday March 31, 2017 @03:27AM (#14001802)
I would add to that the generally venture-hostile environment (relatively small population, high overheads, few institutional VCs) has created a static economy typified by the options available to young people even after tertiary education: work for a big established company to get by in a large city (though even with a professional partner you'll never afford a house in 30 years), go overseas, or go broke.

(Full disclosure: I left 20 years ago)

Re:Australia hasn't had a recession for over 25 years by spangry on Friday March 31, 2017 @03:37AM (#14001830)
Yeah, it's a serious problem. If you left 20 years ago, I've got bad new for you: it's worse than you remember. Most of the economy now consists of ticket clippers and rent seekers. It's a shame we lack the structural support for new ventures in Australia, as Australians have historically had some good ideas.

But when you look at stuff like this (http://i.imgur.com/g7a9QDL.png), it makes you realise that there's no chance of generating a start-up culture in Australia (except maybe in the financial sector, especially if the business has something to do with property loans).

Re:Australia hasn't had a recession for over 25 years by nailer on Friday March 31, 2017 @06:29AM (#14002487)
10 years here. I moved to London, where housing is pretty awful (but not quite as bad) but an attitude to tech that's comfortably between the cynicism of "tech is a scam used to separate idiots from their wallets" (Australia) and the wild enthusiasm of "Snapchat IPO" (US).
Re:Australia hasn't had a recession for over 25 years by talldan on Friday March 31, 2017 @09:33AM (#14003550)
Surprised that you think London housing is not as bad as Australia. Prices here are quite a bit higher in London, and from what I understand, London salaries are also often not as high.

I've lived in London for 10 years, and my partner is Australian. We've considered moving to Australia recently, so the above is from my research.

Re:Australia hasn't had a recession for over 25 years by lamynator on Friday March 31, 2017 @11:26AM (#14004748)
I moved to London from Sydney a year ago and I couldn't agree more. Unless you are prepared to live in a damp cupboard, prices are way higher and salaries are lower.
Re:Australia hasn't had a recession for over 25 years by falsedan on Friday March 31, 2017 @03:38AM (#14001834)
10 years here. It's nice to move to San Francisco and think, wow this is cheap as!
Re:Australia hasn't had a recession for over 25 years by researcher11 on Friday March 31, 2017 @06:28AM (#14002485)
HA! I did the same thing.
Re:Australia hasn't had a recession for over 25 years by cylinder on Saturday April 01, 2017 @09:47AM (#14012090)
Eh, you don't need massive VC to get quality resilient tech companies. You need massive VC for massive bubbles. Sydney has some good startups going now, I would say on a per capita basis Australia does well. It's not Australia's fault that companies become successful and then move to larger markets to be closer to customers and such.

Things have been rapidly changing too with the young generation. Smart people are skipping the investment banks for startups because they see the opportunity.

Re:Australia hasn't had a recession for over 25 years by brad0 on Friday March 31, 2017 @04:59AM (#14002114)
Hi mate, fellow Aussie here. I see you're currently living in China. I'm considering a move there in the next few years. Any chance I could ask you a couple of questions over email?
Re:Australia hasn't had a recession for over 25 years by contingencies on Friday March 31, 2017 @06:08AM (#14002410)
Sure, email in profile. Currently relocating to Shenzhen. Have previously lived in many places in Yunnan, Shanghai and Qingdao. Could maybe hook up some remote work - re: your experience in mobile banking.
Re:Australia hasn't had a recession for over 25 years by jacques_chester on Friday March 31, 2017 @07:22AM (#14002693)
I think the lack of venture is more complex than that; a mix of culture and regulation.

There are only 23 million odd Australians, but there is well north of $2 trillion AUD in our superannuation accounts.

Assuming they applied 0.5% of that towards VC, you'd be looking at $10bn AUD of available capital. At least one order of magnitude more than is currently present.

Also, last I checked, stock-based comp in Australia is tax-disadvantageous. I can't recall if it was FBT or something else.

Re:Australia hasn't had a recession for over 25 years by daemin on Friday March 31, 2017 @08:47AM (#14003116)
I think the current government was looking into that at some point, but I don't know what happened with that.

I remember when I worked at a startup the choice when I got stock options was - pay the tax up front based on the current strike price value - or pay a higher tax when you exercise them and make a profit. If you take the first choice then you'll need to do a lot of paper work to get that money back should the company fail.

Re:Australia hasn't had a recession for over 25 years by glenngillen on Friday March 31, 2017 @07:47AM (#14002800)
I'd say that from a pure opportunity cost perspective the performance of property & mining alone is justification for the lack of VC in Australia.

If simple well understood businesses (dig up rocks or buy land and build) can return > 10% YoY, why would any intelligent investor poor money into an asset class that has underperformed that in the same period?

Re:Australia hasn't had a recession for over 25 years by jacques_chester on Friday March 31, 2017 @09:40PM (#14009885)
Yet the VC lifecycle is very much like the mining lifecycle.

Exploration, drilling, construction, exploitation. The early stages cost millions and often lead to failure, with the occasional profitable case and rare super-profitable discoveries. Scaling up costs major capital, after which, prices allowing, a mine can be a cash cow.