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Re:Ex-Trump adviser Flynn seeks immunity for testimony in Ru... by wyldfire on Thursday March 30, 2017 @07:57PM (#14000040)
I think the level of infighting in the US and Europe now is different from anything I've seen over the last couple of decades. The democratization of media is a net benefit but it helped bring about a world's worth of people seeking out news that matches their world view. It's made it very easy to spawn animus and make everything into an "us vs them" issue.

I think Russia is overtly and covertly involved in an effort to weaken western unions. And it seems like it's been a remarkably successful campaign.

Re:Ex-Trump adviser Flynn seeks immunity for testimony in Ru... by toyg on Thursday March 30, 2017 @09:04PM (#14000434)
> The democratization of media is a net benefit but it helped bring about [...]

We are living through the modern equivalent of when Guthenberg's technology allowed people to print their own bibles. You might remember how that one turned out: a huge religious schism, civil wars, large-scale terrorism, new laws enshrining religious discrimination which lasted for centuries...

I'm not saying this is what will happen; I think we've just underestimated the chaos the internet might have unleashed. It will certainly be worth it, in the long run; but at the moment it doesn't feel that great.

Re:Ex-Trump adviser Flynn seeks immunity for testimony in Ru... by dwaltrip on Friday March 31, 2017 @01:53AM (#14001431)
Very interesting comparison, thanks for sharing it. That paradigm-shift may indeed be one of the best analogs that we have to the current on-going changes in human communication.

There was a really good Hardcore History episode that told the story of one town that was an intense focal point of religious/cultural fervor and violence during that time period. The entire city was overtaken by multiple waves of extremely radical Anabaptists, and then was literally besieged by an army for multiple months as the guy in charge of the city tried to regain control. It was a spectacular story, with lots of juicy details. Dan Carlin does a great job of contextualizing and providing perspective, as usual.

P.S. I had to retype this comment as I accidentally deleted it while attempting to copy part of it... It's amazing (and frustrating​) that Android chrome hasn't implemented text edit undo yet.

Re:Ex-Trump adviser Flynn seeks immunity for testimony in Ru... by generic_user on Thursday March 30, 2017 @08:24PM (#14000228)
So the alternative is to keep a population held together with a narrative manufactured by the central state along side a brutal military police apparatus to manage compliance.

I think the real culprit is that the masters of the universe who crashed the economy have not been able to put humpty dumpty back together again. And only managed to make the upper 1% fabulously wealthy why the rest of the population has a sinking standard of living and lower long term wealth prospects.

Even tho its ugly what we have now its the best thing that could happen. If the states and regions reassert there rights and set there own policy independent of federal government the result is more power to the state citizens. And a smaller circle of corruption with more accountability.

And if the Russians are involved then they have complete control of both federal parties because the main source of friction comes directly out of the ideology of both parties that use division to try to segregate the electorate and practice scorched earth on the other side.

Re:Ex-Trump adviser Flynn seeks immunity for testimony in Ru... by themihai on Thursday March 30, 2017 @08:52PM (#14000389)
What are you talking about? The fake news are basically like the spam and phishing sites except they are state sponsored. Freedom of speech doesn't mean you have to bombarded by propaganda spread by russian bots. This is cyberwar. Sooner or later things will get quite nasty.
Re:Ex-Trump adviser Flynn seeks immunity for testimony in Ru... by generic_user on Thursday March 30, 2017 @09:00PM (#14000420)
Are you sure its bots? The Russians could have very easily hacked your computer and planted a virus that tracks you and injects personalized propaganda based on there secret profile of you.