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Re:To Paul Graham by chaosmachine on Wednesday June 02, 2010 @03:36PM (#1399106)
Now it also considers among other things the average comment score of the submitter.

Does this create a rich-get-richer type scenario, where users with high averages get more exposure, thus leading to higher averages?

Re:To Paul Graham by pg on Wednesday June 02, 2010 @05:09PM (#1399388)
You can check by looking at the average comment scores on http://news.ycombinator.com/leaders (the second column). They haven't changed much as far as I can tell.
Re:To Paul Graham by aswanson on Wednesday June 02, 2010 @09:46PM (#1400103)
They probably wouldn't change much if the commenter had a long history to be averaged in. You'd want to look at the delta of the delta (2nd order stats) to see if any noticeable effect was occurring.
Re:To Paul Graham by ErrantX on Thursday June 03, 2010 @08:32AM (#1401083)
IIRC averages are calculated over a set of your most recent posts - so it can go up or down quite quickly depending on your current comment quality.
Re:To Paul Graham by aswanson on Thursday June 03, 2010 @10:10AM (#1401337)
I wasn't aware it was a sliding window. In that case the method Paul mentioned is probably a good enough solution.
Re:To Paul Graham by ivankirigin on Wednesday June 02, 2010 @07:44PM (#1399870)
What is your average comment score? Any exception for your account? I don't think there needs to be one, just curious.
Re:To Paul Graham by timf on Wednesday June 02, 2010 @10:01PM (#1400143)
http://top.searchyc.com/users_by_average_points_per_comment

http://searchyc.com/pg

(you will notice the numbers are different on the HN leaders page for people, I think perhaps searchyc is an all-time average?)

Re:To Paul Graham by philwelch on Thursday June 03, 2010 @12:42AM (#1400402)
SearchYC seems to be off on its karma counts--some of my comments, HN and SYC disagree on the score.
Re:To Paul Graham by pg on Thursday June 03, 2010 @11:35AM (#1401586)
10.2 as of now. No, the ranking algorithm treats every account the same.
Re:To Paul Graham by maxwell on Thursday June 03, 2010 @11:43AM (#1401608)
Re:To Paul Graham by pg on Thursday June 03, 2010 @12:42PM (#1401778)
Do you really believe I'm lying?

Like the frontpage ranking algorithm, the comment ranking algorithm also considers recency.

Re:To Paul Graham by techiferous on Wednesday June 02, 2010 @04:58PM (#1399359)
"rich-get-richer"

An alternative way to think about it is that it adds more stability to the system, for better or for worse.

Re:To Paul Graham by j_baker on Wednesday June 02, 2010 @03:48PM (#1399136)
It might. But that's only an issue if the rich don't deserve to get rich.
Re:To Paul Graham by hxa7241 on Wednesday June 02, 2010 @05:16PM (#1399420)
Hold on, that begs the question -- how do we know who deserves? that is the problem.

The whole thing has a circular dependency: if ranking acts as a filter, then higher rank means more readers, and that in turn means more upvotes and so a higher ranking. It is probably not so much the top being undeserving, but that deserving stuff gets missed.

This seems to be a fundamental weakness in all similar 'ranking' systems, but I am not sure of the full character and implications...

(There is certainly a substantial component of being an automated system of 'social-proof'. And the filtering can never be entirely effective: if you show everyone only the good stuff, the filtering would not get done at all.)

Re:To Paul Graham by presidentender on Wednesday June 02, 2010 @05:29PM (#1399467)
The advantage here is that pg is giving an advantage to high averages, not high point totals. So there's less incentive to be a reddit/digg style poweruser looking for one upvote on thousands of comments, and more incentive to say something truly insightful from time to time.
Re:To Paul Graham by ebiester on Wednesday June 02, 2010 @04:40PM (#1399285)
Alternative, it keeps away those who deserve to get rich but cannot overcome the artificial market barriers.
Re:To Paul Graham by thefool on Wednesday June 02, 2010 @04:50PM (#1399325)
Exactly, in this, the rich only get richer if they continue posting valid comments.

Otherwise they get poor real fast.

Re:To Paul Graham by mooneater on Wednesday June 02, 2010 @11:59PM (#1400344)
No, they get poor based on how many previous comments are being averaged in.

So someone with a huge number of highly rated comments, could make a lot of dumb comments before it started hurting them.

I'm sure pg will come up with an appropriate formula.

Re:To Paul Graham by horseass on Wednesday June 02, 2010 @06:46PM (#1399739)
boobie testucles boobie testucles boobie testucles One thing I like about hacker news is that some complete moron, like me, can write 'boobie testucles' in reply to the topmost comment, thus keeping the reply visible to all on top even if its voted down by the retarded masses who don't know what a good reply really is. Man, lisp sucks. Please vote my reply up, thanks!
Re:To Paul Graham by thunk on Wednesday June 02, 2010 @08:49PM (#1399996)
You make a reasonable point in an, uh, illustrative way (they say "show, don't tell", right?). The vertical arrangement of comments by preorder traversal of comment trees gives some low quality comments "unfair" visibility. I don't see any solution (that maintains readability) apart from moving into a second or third dimension. The question is, is it a big enough problem to merit such a drastic response? Probably not.