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Re:Audi's unions demand electric model for main German plant by Retric on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @11:29AM (#13987205)
Many people and organizations with a lot of power have spent a lot of time and money giving you that impression. Unions have done a great deal of good worldwide, but no 'it's Henry Ford that's responsible for the 40 hour week' etc.

PS: Remember, the best way to keep power long term is to convince everyone else to hand it to you.

Re:Audi's unions demand electric model for main German plant by valarauca1 on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @11:36AM (#13987274)
40 hour work week? Unions

Weekend off? Unions

9-5? Unions

Retirement Savings? Unions

Pension Program? Unions

Health Benefits? Unions

Vacation Time? Unions

Sick Time? Unions

Lunch break? Unions

Work place safety regulations? Unions

Boss threaten to fire you if you don't let him screw your wife? Unions

Re:Audi's unions demand electric model for main German plant by colmvp on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @12:09PM (#13987626)
Even in Canada where citizens are prideful about socialized health insurance, we owe a debt of gratitude to Trade Unions who, alongside social workers, farm groups, and labour federations, advocated on behalf of working Canadians for socialized health insurance, arguing private health insurance was significantly more limited than what the insurance industry boasted.

And who opposed to the socialized health insurance movement? Nearly every medical association (doctors, dentists), the entire insurance industry, the pharmaceutical industry, and even premiers of provinces.

Re:Audi's unions demand electric model for main German plant by darpa_escapee on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @12:48PM (#13988114)
Just a friendly reminder that people had been beaten, shot at, bombed and attacked by the US military for the things you listed.

Employers were not willing to give those concessions without a fight.

Re:Audi's unions demand electric model for main German plant by velodrome on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @01:09PM (#13988382)
> Employers were not willing to give those concessions without a fight.

Today, they don't have to fight. They can offshore, outsource, or automate your job. There are a lot more options these days then there were back then...

Re:Audi's unions demand electric model for main German plant by valarauca1 on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @01:38PM (#13988698)
Not really.

These all boil down to the same thing. Firing the offending laborer. So really we haven't advanced far since the 1850's.

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This is why Anti-Unionists get so pissy about Unions blocking people from being fired. It removes the main power owners have over their workers.

Re:Audi's unions demand electric model for main German plant by epistasis on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @11:36AM (#13987273)
>it's Henry Ford that's responsible for the 40 hour week etc.

Your comment is pretty hard to parse, but that's not a thing that I've ever hard anybody say.

>PS: Remember, the best way to keep power long term is to convince everyone else to hand it to you.

Your phrasing makes me think that you're trying to be sarcastic, but that's exactly how every long term transition of power has ever worked. If people are not convinced that you should have the power, they will take it away on a whim. See, for example, the US civil rights movement vs. the emancipation proclamation and civil war. The South was not in general convinced by the emancipation proclamation, and so the oppression continued in the extreme. The civil rights movement did an awful lot of convincing, and though there are still those that are unconvinced, the power transition was far more lasting and complete. Force only works as long as you have the upper hand. Convincing works as long as the other person is convinced.

Re:Audi's unions demand electric model for main German plant by Retric on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @11:48AM (#13987415)
> that's not a thing that I've ever hard anybody say.

Google search "40 hour work week Henry Ford" and it auto suggests "henry ford started 40 hour work week" "henry ford invented the 40 hour work week"

Which takes you to "Does the 8-hour day and the 40-hour week come from Henry Ford, or labor unions?" http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/... "In 1914, at a time when most workers still lacked a guarantee of eight-hour days, the Ford Motor Co. attracted notice for instituting eight-hour shifts and raising wages in the manner the graphic indicates. (For many Ford workers, the work week remained six days.)"

Of note, you can get 24 hours from 4 * 6, 3 x 8, or 2 x 12 hour shifts. But, 8 * 6 is not 40.

And closes with "The claim contains some element of truth but ignores critical facts that would give a different impression, so we rate it Mostly False."

Re:Audi's unions demand electric model for main German plant by xenophonf on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @02:17PM (#13989063)
It drives me crazy that PolitiFact, which publishes its work on the web, cannot manage to include citations and sources beyond Such-and-Such-Authority-Told-Us-So-When-We-Asked. It's not that I don't believe PolitiFact, but if they bothered to interview a bunch of college professors, surely they could have gotten primary or secondary sources too. I mean, that's basically a professor's job!
Re:Audi's unions demand electric model for main German plant by epistasis on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @12:15PM (#13987689)
Yikes, well I hope that my never having encountered that misinformation means that the viral gif did not spread too far.
Re:Audi's unions demand electric model for main German plant by cjslep on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @11:49AM (#13987429)
> The South was not in general convinced by the emancipation proclamation, and so the oppression continued in the extreme.

It's a better example to point out that the the emancipation proclamation didn't even free all the Union's Slaves at the time. Its kind of a no-duh that the South wouldn't follow it because the emancipation proclamation was a war measure against the Confederacy. Edit: It'd also be stronger to point out Jim Crow laws in the reconstruction era