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Re:Japanese research firms part of global effort to develop ... by Animats on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @04:01AM (#13984249)
"Spray on solar panels" usually means making solar cells with a printing-like process. That's been done several times.[1][2] Works fine. But the resulting panels were not cheaper. They're flexible, which makes them popular for boats, tents, and RVs. Lifespan is shorter; you can get a 10 year warranty, but not much beyond that.

[1] http://www.pascaltechnologies.com/files/Whitepapers/Uni-Sola... [2] http://plasticphotovoltaics.org/lc/lc-fabrication/lc-r2r.htm...

Re:Japanese research firms part of global effort to develop ... by jlebrech on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @05:38AM (#13984602)
spray on could work well for creating solar panels on another planet don't you think? especially if you source the silicon locally.
Re:Japanese research firms part of global effort to develop ... by AstralStorm on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @03:18AM (#13984092)
The problem is we do not really need cheaper panels, we need high efficiency ones. Solar is currently cheap enough.

Not that the spray technology is worthless.

Re:Japanese research firms part of global effort to develop ... by ZeroGravitas on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @05:19AM (#13984536)
We have both cheap and high efficiency cells. We want to push the whole cost-performance curve so that the cheap cells get cheaper, the efficient cells get more efficient, and the cells in the sweet spot for any particular use get both cheaper and more efficient.

We also need new tech like flexible solar or window integrated PV to mature, and new financial ideas like selling battery integrated solar in africa like a cell phone contract to be developed.

We're past the stage of crazy inventors in the lab being the only player, now we need salesmen, marketers, engineers, manufacturers, tradesmen, architects, accountants and regulators to actually roll out this tech as widely and effectively as we can.

Re:Japanese research firms part of global effort to develop ... by morsch on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @04:28AM (#13984354)
I've read the argument that it's the opposite: since there is plenty of area left for solar panels (roofs, for one thing), efficiency (in terms of energy per area) is less important than price (energy per dollar).

OTOH, I have also read that for many installations, especially home-scale ones, the cost of the solar panels itself is in the same magnitude as all the other installation costs; in that case, the best way reduce price (and increase energy per dollar) would be to increase efficiency, effectively installing "more energy" at the same time for the same installation cost.

So maybe we don't need cheaper panels, but do need cheaper installations, and a way to do that is to have more efficient panels.

Re:Japanese research firms part of global effort to develop ... by agumonkey on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @04:40AM (#13984403)
There's also transparent cells, a few companies are trying to market them right now. Lot of areas to reuse, probably low installation fees too.
Re:Japanese research firms part of global effort to develop ... by galdosdi on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @10:42AM (#13986660)
Interesting! But for every bit of light that goes through, that's light not being used by the panel. Do these transparent cells do any better in terms of effeciency than just using a more effecient, nontransparent, smaller cell combined with a regular window? For example, what gives more energy, a transparent cell of 1 square meter area of 50% opacity, or a regular cell of 2 square meters?
Re:Japanese research firms part of global effort to develop ... by agumonkey on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @03:52PM (#13989939)
Detail: it's not a "visible lightwave" cell, it captures near infra red and other part of the non visible spectrum, so the usual light energy is not absorbed, it's 95%+ transparent for us, but it yields some voltage. I don't have the figures (I should have looked at); the first company I've seen was Ubiquitous Energy (from a Stanford or MIT lab prof. circa 2013). I've read on some research paper that there are other in the competition.

Maybe the power output is too low.. considering how many zillions of office windows could be converted I assumed they'd be as famous as tesla.

Re:Japanese research firms part of global effort to develop ... by adrianN on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @05:48AM (#13984634)
Or you make the solar panels easier to install.
Re:Japanese research firms part of global effort to develop ... by 1122904369 on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @03:54AM (#13984219)
Also have a look at http://www.nature.com/articles/srep18721. It raises the question if it is a good idea to have solar cells which partly consist of lead (Pb).
Re:Japanese research firms part of global effort to develop ... by lovemenot on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @04:27AM (#13984348)
There might be many new applications for low yield, low cost, lightweight solar panels. How about vehicle external surfaces?

Why should we not hope to get both more efficient panels and for other applications, cheaper and lighter ones?

Re:Japanese research firms part of global effort to develop ... by adrianN on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @05:49AM (#13984637)
What's the point of low-yield panels on vehicles?
Re:Japanese research firms part of global effort to develop ... by ZeroGravitas on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @06:05AM (#13984716)
Depends on how low the yield and how low the price, but one reason for putting small panels on cars today is to run a fan when a car is left in the sun, so that the AC has an easier time cooling the car when the driver returns, saving battery range. Can help to keep the traditional 12v car battery topped up too.
Re:Japanese research firms part of global effort to develop ... by icefox on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @09:56AM (#13986212)
I would argue that working on reducing the cost of installation is the big gains to be had right now.