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Re:Amazon Delays Opening of Cashierless Store to Work Out Kinks by SerLava on Monday March 27, 2017 @09:30PM (#13973256)
And once they hear Amazon can't track a lot of people moving quickly... A lot of people will decide to start moving quickly.
Re:Amazon Delays Opening of Cashierless Store to Work Out Kinks by crooked-v on Monday March 27, 2017 @09:34PM (#13973280)
I can already foresee a dozen people showing up in zebra-striped hoodies to see what happens when they shop together.
Re:Amazon Delays Opening of Cashierless Store to Work Out Kinks by tyingq on Monday March 27, 2017 @11:25PM (#13973799)
Amazon will counter by convincing third parties to resell their goods on the shelf. Amazon takes their cut of sales, but doesn't chip in on losses or fraud. Oh wait...
Re:Amazon Delays Opening of Cashierless Store to Work Out Kinks by huntersbellend on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @12:42AM (#13974134)
Does Amazon already do this?
Re:Amazon Delays Opening of Cashierless Store to Work Out Kinks by tyingq on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @07:30AM (#13975691)
It's a nod to their online model. You sell android phones as a 3rd party on Amazon.com. Buyer claims "not as described". Keeps phone, puts potato in Android box and returns it. Amazon forces you to refund. Probably distressing to Amazon that they can't foist off losses of physical in-store shoplifting onto 3rd parties.
Re:Amazon Delays Opening of Cashierless Store to Work Out Kinks by pooper on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @04:11AM (#13974934)
Previously on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13955981

We had a discussion about Amazon.com comingling inventory with seller inventory.

More discussion at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13924546

Re:Amazon Delays Opening of Cashierless Store to Work Out Kinks by notgood on Monday March 27, 2017 @09:55PM (#13973415)
They realize that amazon now measures the height of each customer, also has a miniature drone following them around and each floor tile measure the weight of the people for that extra data point, oh and some have employees disguised as customers whom help the system when in doubt.
Re:Amazon Delays Opening of Cashierless Store to Work Out Kinks by throwanem on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @06:41AM (#13975468)
'Who help'. 'Whom' is the objective case, parallel to 'them'; a good way to test the correctness of a particular use is to substitute the latter for the former and see if the sentence is still grammatical.
Re:Amazon Delays Opening of Cashierless Store to Work Out Kinks by Neliquat on Monday March 27, 2017 @11:02PM (#13973706)
Weight belts, got it.
Re:Amazon Delays Opening of Cashierless Store to Work Out Kinks by victor9000 on Monday March 27, 2017 @11:19PM (#13973774)
and platform shoes.
Re:Amazon Delays Opening of Cashierless Store to Work Out Kinks by harryh on Monday March 27, 2017 @09:53PM (#13973400)
I'm sure that some people will but there will almost certainly be security in the store that will politely ask them to stop.
Re:Amazon Delays Opening of Cashierless Store to Work Out Kinks by ysavir on Monday March 27, 2017 @10:05PM (#13973463)
Time for some "identical twin" experiments.
Re:Amazon Delays Opening of Cashierless Store to Work Out Kinks by zitterbewegung on Monday March 27, 2017 @11:03PM (#13973711)
I am an identical twin and on my brothers surface book I'm able to fool windows hello for some reason.
Re:Amazon Delays Opening of Cashierless Store to Work Out Kinks by ReverseCold on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @12:34AM (#13974106)
> for some reason

Hmm, maybe it's because he's your identical twin?

Re:Amazon Delays Opening of Cashierless Store to Work Out Kinks by zitterbewegung on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @01:22AM (#13974307)
Forgot to mention that Microsoft claims that I shouldn't be able to do that.
Re:Amazon Delays Opening of Cashierless Store to Work Out Kinks by freehunter on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @12:16PM (#13977885)
Really? Microsoft says a webcam should be able to instantly tell the difference between you and someone who looks literally exactly identical to you?
Re:Amazon Delays Opening of Cashierless Store to Work Out Kinks by jodrellblank on Monday March 27, 2017 @10:22PM (#13973547)
A lot of people will turn up to play basketball, while someone in a bear suit steals things.
Re:Amazon Delays Opening of Cashierless Store to Work Out Kinks by boulos on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @02:34AM (#13974572)
It was a gorilla suit, not a bear suit ;):

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vJG698U2Mvo

Re:Amazon Delays Opening of Cashierless Store to Work Out Kinks by arjie on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @04:47AM (#13975070)
There's a variant with a moonwalking bear which is rather well known: https://youtu.be/Ahg6qcgoay4
Re:Amazon Delays Opening of Cashierless Store to Work Out Kinks by boulos on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @12:59AM (#13983543)
Interesting. Your post got me to finally look up the history of this [1]. Apparently it was a woman with an umbrella in a 1975 study, but made extreme by Simons in 1992 with the gorilla. The moonwalking bear is apparently from a 2008 Transport for London advertisement [2] to remind people to see cyclists.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inattentional_blindness

[2] https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/nov/16/transport-invisib...

Re:Amazon Delays Opening of Cashierless Store to Work Out Kinks by deanCommie on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @09:06AM (#13976197)
You know you can already get things for free at current stores.

It's called shoplifting and it's REALLY EASY.

The truth is in Western Society most people don't do this.

And after an initial novelty factor (which I'm sure Amazon will account for), people won't bother any more than they shoplift now.

P.S. Nor will they shoot Amazon Prime AIr drones out of the sky like other HN threads fret.

Re:Amazon Delays Opening of Cashierless Store to Work Out Kinks by SerLava on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @03:32PM (#13979876)
Shoplifting by outpacing a tracking algorithm has high levels of plausible deniability.

It's not illegal to hurry, and if Amazon fails to notice you picking up a product, that's their problem due to the system they thought up.

That would entice a lot of people.