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Re:China is spending billions on soft power by Blahah on Sunday March 26, 2017 @12:13PM (#13961453)
Paywalled article, so hope this is relevant.

Here in Kenya, infrastructure investment by the Kenyan government is very poor. Whatever money gets theoretically assigned to things like building and maintenance of roads and the power and water grids usually goes missing at various stages until the final project, if implemented at all, is shoddy.

Enter China, who have been directly funding infrastructure here. They are managing the supply chain and personnel themselves, and it's having a huge effect. Beautiful roads have sprung up around Nairobi in the last year especially, built using modern techniques and quality materials.

One can't help but wonder what concessions the Chinese government will eventually come looking for in return, because it's pretty certain that the debt will never be repaid in money.

Re:China is spending billions on soft power by alphonsegaston on Sunday March 26, 2017 @12:19PM (#13961485)
A friend of mine spent a few years working in a few different places in Africa. He said that the impression of the locals was that the Chinese are the new colonizers, full stop. The labor conditions and treatment of African workers on Chinese run projects was really bad, and the out-and-out racism by the Chinese was crazy.
Re:China is spending billions on soft power by molikto on Sunday March 26, 2017 @12:45PM (#13961635)
Re:China is spending billions on soft power by leesalminen on Sunday March 26, 2017 @01:11PM (#13961779)
Case in point... that read like propaganda to me.
Re:China is spending billions on soft power by elefanten on Sunday March 26, 2017 @01:38PM (#13961921)
Yes. Glance through the author's other articles and a very clear pattern emerges.
Re:China is spending billions on soft power by mazerackham on Sunday March 26, 2017 @01:58PM (#13962069)
are you serious? It's crazy to see point blank the effects of western brainwashing on people. Open your eyes. What China is doing is nowhere close to colonization
Re:China is spending billions on soft power by ralfd on Sunday March 26, 2017 @03:26PM (#13962610)
Well, it is not colonization, as China doesn't build colonies in Africa.

But look at this photo in this article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/business/batteries/c...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/business/batteries/c...

Imagine if that chinese guy in sun glasses and boots on the desk would be white. Would it look racist/imperialist/exploitive to you?

Re:China is spending billions on soft power by leesalminen on Sunday March 26, 2017 @02:38PM (#13962315)
How would you characterize what's happening in Africa with regards to China? Am genuinely curious.
Re:China is spending billions on soft power by CossieRay on Sunday March 26, 2017 @03:44PM (#13962761)
This is highly anecdotal and based on personal (and professional) experience here in Kenya. Though the Chinese have been present in the country for a while, their signature project was the Thika Superhighway (2009-2012). This captured the imagination of everyone from citizens to the government. Since then, virtually all the major infrastructure projects have been undertaken by Chinese contractors that have set camp in the country. Their model of financing (through grants and ‘cheap’ loans), designing and building has ensured Chinese firms have an upper hand compared to local contractors. This has pushed many local contractors out of business and consequently rendered majority of local young engineers highly unemployed. Generally, there is a quiet uneasiness with the dominance of the Chinese in the infrastructure arena but as it stands; they’re having a field day here in Kenya. I’m convinced this is playing out in many other African countries.
Re:China is spending billions on soft power by hasenj on Sunday March 26, 2017 @09:18PM (#13964423)
Were there really any local engineers? If so, why haven't they built anything before the arrival of China?
Re:China is spending billions on soft power by nindalf on Monday March 27, 2017 @01:20AM (#13965357)
If you're a civil engineer in Kenya you can't simply create an infrastructure startup and build the country. Such a business requires many skills not related to engineering, for starters. You need to know which wheels to grease in government and how. You need to have appreciable investment to fund your equipment. You need to have reliable supervisors who won't steal and will keep the work on schedule. You can't simply start up, get funded and move fast while breaking things.

According to the Kenyan resident in the thread , it was corruption that was stymiying progress. That's something that Chinese contractors have bypassed.

Re:China is spending billions on soft power by everybodyknows on Sunday March 26, 2017 @05:15PM (#13963338)
Those 'cheap' loans -- how are they secured? Could a percentage of toll revenues be involved?
Re:China is spending billions on soft power by prodmerc on Sunday March 26, 2017 @01:31PM (#13961883)
> built using modern techniques and quality materials.

Uh, I would double check that, they've been building bridges, malls and apartments in Eastern Europe and the quality was found to be subpar even by local standards (not to mention EU)...

Re:China is spending billions on soft power by Blahah on Sunday March 26, 2017 @05:16PM (#13963349)
OK yeah so I haven't closely inspected them, but compared to the way roads built by the Kenyan government are made, these ones are high quality.

For example I've seen a road being laid between Nairobi and a nearby town since last June. The original road made by the county council only had a few centimetres of tarmac rolled over the bare dirt (the money for the proper materials all went missing). It disintegrated pretty quickly and led to a horrific cratered road that was impassable to all but the hardiest of vehicles - much worse than the original dirt track.

The new road was dug deep, hardcore laid, months of surveying, measuring, marking out, then several layers of different materials laid over the hardcore adding up to a couple of feet of solid road, with a beautifully smooth finish. I'm not qualified to say whether it meets international standards but it's a lot better than what was being built before.

Re:China is spending billions on soft power by prodmerc on Sunday March 26, 2017 @07:47PM (#13964082)
Yeah, that sounds good, I hope it lasts. I'm also hoping this time African countries won't fall victim to the shrewd business practices from up north.
Re:China is spending billions on soft power by m-j-fox on Sunday March 26, 2017 @01:40PM (#13961940)
Right-click (or long-press) -> open in incognito tab.

My muggle wife taught me this trick.

Re:China is spending billions on soft power by Blahah on Sunday March 26, 2017 @05:12PM (#13963321)
Awesome, that worked! Thanks to you and your wife :)
Re:China is spending billions on soft power by wordpressdev on Sunday March 26, 2017 @01:51PM (#13962018)
This is how China is penetrating in most of the developing world, be it Africa or Asia. Consider the recent, and on-going, example of the CPEC in Pakistan.