Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess
by vidarh on Thursday March 23, 2017 @07:22AM
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Yes, I'm Norwegian and moved to the UK, and it was a shock to see "US conditions" in Europe, and took a lot to get used to, even though the UK still have a lot of protections and welfare systems the US doesn't.
(to the Americans: In many European countries "US conditions" is commonly used in political discourse as a way of scaring voters with the image of chaos and suffering)
Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess
by timoth on Thursday March 23, 2017 @10:06AM
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Shades of grey though; not entirely black and white. In the UK->Norway direction, it's surprising to have to pay to visit a doctor or specialist, not to mention paying painful retail price for medicines, even for children. (Yes, I know there's an annual cap etc., but still seems a bit weird compared to free-at-the-point-of-use and a flat prescription charge in the UK.) No NHS dentistry either. (Yes, I know NHS dentist availability is not what it once was in the UK! And there are subsidies for necessary children's treatment in Norway depending on severity.)
Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess
by Accacin on Thursday March 23, 2017 @07:41AM
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Wage inequality and higher education I agree with, but we do quite well with parental leave don't we (the UK)?
Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess
by dagw on Thursday March 23, 2017 @07:50AM
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but we do quite well with parental leave don't we
Relative to the US, absolutely. Relative to Scandinavia, not really.
Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess
by emodendroket on Thursday March 23, 2017 @09:36AM
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It'd be literally impossible to do worse than the US though.
Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess
by Accacin on Thursday March 23, 2017 @04:18PM
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I mean, we're talking about Europe as whole. The UK has the highest maternity though paternity is much worse but still better than quite a few EU countries.
Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess
by alkonaut on Thursday March 23, 2017 @09:07AM
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> but we do quite well with parental leave don't we (the UK)
No. No you don't. :)
Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess
by Accacin on Thursday March 23, 2017 @04:17PM
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Maternity leave in the UK is the highest in the EU. Paternity is much less generous, though still better than a lot of other countries.
Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess
by alkonaut on Thursday March 23, 2017 @05:10PM
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The new (2015) UK rules are more generous, but still not the "highest in the EU" (c.f Sweden's 480 paid days). Swedes also don't need to take it at full rate meaning you can e.g make it a 2 year leave with lower pay. That might be possible in the UK too.
Typical Nordic is 12 month maternity + 6month paternity I.e until the child is 18months.
Wage inequality, parental leaves, employment security, higher education etc.are decidedly "non-european" in the UK.
So yes when I talk about "Europe" in the context of "Europe vs US" I think the UK needs to be considered separately.