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Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess by J-dawg on Thursday March 23, 2017 @06:15AM (#13938546)
> whereas in Europe it's normally free

While we're correcting misconceptions, in the UK it's most definitely not free.

But I believe it's still a lot cheaper than the US. The universities are capped on the fees they can charge, and your student loan is regulated by the government (you only start paying back when you're earning over a threshold).

Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess by alkonaut on Thursday March 23, 2017 @06:21AM (#13938574)
When I look at the UK from Scandinavia, it seems to me that it's basically "50/50 continental Europe and the US".

Wage inequality, parental leaves, employment security, higher education etc.are decidedly "non-european" in the UK.

So yes when I talk about "Europe" in the context of "Europe vs US" I think the UK needs to be considered separately.

Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess by vidarh on Thursday March 23, 2017 @07:22AM (#13938820)
Yes, I'm Norwegian and moved to the UK, and it was a shock to see "US conditions" in Europe, and took a lot to get used to, even though the UK still have a lot of protections and welfare systems the US doesn't.

(to the Americans: In many European countries "US conditions" is commonly used in political discourse as a way of scaring voters with the image of chaos and suffering)

Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess by timoth on Thursday March 23, 2017 @10:06AM (#13939816)
Shades of grey though; not entirely black and white. In the UK->Norway direction, it's surprising to have to pay to visit a doctor or specialist, not to mention paying painful retail price for medicines, even for children. (Yes, I know there's an annual cap etc., but still seems a bit weird compared to free-at-the-point-of-use and a flat prescription charge in the UK.) No NHS dentistry either. (Yes, I know NHS dentist availability is not what it once was in the UK! And there are subsidies for necessary children's treatment in Norway depending on severity.)
Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess by Accacin on Thursday March 23, 2017 @07:41AM (#13938900)
Wage inequality and higher education I agree with, but we do quite well with parental leave don't we (the UK)?
Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess by dagw on Thursday March 23, 2017 @07:50AM (#13938941)
but we do quite well with parental leave don't we

Relative to the US, absolutely. Relative to Scandinavia, not really.

Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess by emodendroket on Thursday March 23, 2017 @09:36AM (#13939550)
It'd be literally impossible to do worse than the US though.
Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess by Accacin on Thursday March 23, 2017 @04:18PM (#13943843)
I mean, we're talking about Europe as whole. The UK has the highest maternity though paternity is much worse but still better than quite a few EU countries.
Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess by alkonaut on Thursday March 23, 2017 @09:07AM (#13939377)
> but we do quite well with parental leave don't we (the UK)

No. No you don't. :)

Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess by Accacin on Thursday March 23, 2017 @04:17PM (#13943831)
Maternity leave in the UK is the highest in the EU. Paternity is much less generous, though still better than a lot of other countries.
Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess by alkonaut on Thursday March 23, 2017 @05:10PM (#13944324)
The new (2015) UK rules are more generous, but still not the "highest in the EU" (c.f Sweden's 480 paid days). Swedes also don't need to take it at full rate meaning you can e.g make it a 2 year leave with lower pay. That might be possible in the UK too. Typical Nordic is 12 month maternity + 6month paternity I.e until the child is 18months.
Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess by scottishfiction on Thursday March 23, 2017 @08:50AM (#13939269)
While we're correcting misconceptions... it is most definitely 'free' in Scotland.
Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess by alkonaut on Thursday March 23, 2017 @09:11AM (#13939409)
Even though I'm swedish I did go to Scotish uni (Strathclyde!) for a while. It was probably paid for by magical EU funds though. I do remember registering and my peers talking about student loans but I thought they were like my student loans (which were for rent, food and books) and thought almost all tuitions were paid by govt. grants, not loans. I know at least a part of my friends had grants, not loans, paying their studies at least.

What is the political situation now in the UK wrt. free higher education? It seems like one of the biggest social justice/social mobility issues a society can have. Is that not a top issue for Labour?

Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess by scottishfiction on Monday March 27, 2017 @04:15AM (#13965961)
I also went to Strathclyde :)

In Scotland at least, student loans are only used for living expenses, similar to your experience. Tuition fees are paid by the Scottish Government, as education is a devolved power [1].

In England, tuition fees are paid by the student, usually through a student loan, and are capped at £9k/year.

[Warning: political] I couldn't answer on Labour's priorities. They're becoming increasingly irrelevant north of the border, and increasingly impotent south of the border.

1. http://www.parliament.scot/visitandlearn/12506.aspx

Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess by J-dawg on Thursday March 23, 2017 @09:41AM (#13939596)
How could I forget! Thanks for pointing this out.

Personally I'm surprised that there isn't a lot more anger from English taxpayers about this. It would be very interesting to see whether an independent Scotland could continue this policy.

Re:The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess by scottishfiction on Monday March 27, 2017 @04:22AM (#13965981)
I hope they are angry; at their own leaders for failing to provide the same, and not based in some misguided theory on Scottish subsidies, which is a far more complex issue than many tabloids would have their readers believe.

Stats here paint are more nuanced picture: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/comment/are-the-s...