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Re:Your yearly dose of is-the-universe-a-simulation by moron4hire on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @06:50AM (#13929879)
There is nothing to distinguish meddling from "that's just how the universe works. Time to update the Standard Model."
Re:Your yearly dose of is-the-universe-a-simulation by cousin_it on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @07:56AM (#13930188)
That doesn't seem right. If tomorrow the mass of your ashtray started fluctuating in Morse code, spelling out "hello from the simulation master" and replying to your questions intelligently, your first instinct wouldn't be to update the standard model.
Re:Your yearly dose of is-the-universe-a-simulation by vidarh on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @09:48AM (#13930828)
To be more precise: The absence of ashtrays fluctuating in Morse code and spelling out messages or other clear signs of influence is not evidence of the absence of meddling.

We can not realistically know whether or not someone is meddling with a simulation we are in because there are infinite ways they could do so that would be indistinguishable to us from "just the way the universe is".

E.g. for what we know quantum mechanics is an artefact of ways of optimizing the simulation, for example.

But at the same time, there are clearly an infinite number of ways those running such simulations could make their existence quite obvious if that was the intent.

And frankly that is one of my biggest issues with the simulation argument. Let's call it the Fermi Paradox of the Simulation Agument: If we're in a simulation, where are the obvious signatures of these "simulation masters"?

Because if simulations of consciousness eventually becomes possible, I have a hard time of seeing how they'd not eventually become "cheap enough" with sufficient shortcuts that we'd be more likely to live in a far future version of The Sims than a serious scientific simulation.

And have you seen what people do to their Sims on Youtube?

If we are in a simulation, then I wonder why in the world things are not more messed up. Why hasn't some immature "simulation master" written their name across the night sky with giant fluorescent penises, for example. (Then again, maybe that's in the next simulation over)

Re:Your yearly dose of is-the-universe-a-simulation by CoolGuySteve on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @10:02AM (#13930938)
We're probably a really boring part of the simulation. Like those pre-made Sims houses you never go to but occasionally call on the phone. Jesus Christ was that pizza party.
Re:Your yearly dose of is-the-universe-a-simulation by vidarh on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @10:32AM (#13931196)
Frankly, if we are in a Sims type game, I really hope we're in one of those boring parts, or all bets are off.
Re:Your yearly dose of is-the-universe-a-simulation by dinfinity on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @11:24AM (#13931646)
> Why hasn't some immature "simulation master" written their name across the night sky with giant fluorescent penises, for example.

Did you not catch the election of Donald Trump?

Re:Your yearly dose of is-the-universe-a-simulation by empath75 on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @08:10AM (#13930235)
I've long had this idea that if it were a simulation it would only bother to simulate particle physics when we generate energy high enough to probe it.
Re:Your yearly dose of is-the-universe-a-simulation by alvarosevilla95 on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @07:05AM (#13929955)
I disagree. "that's just how the universe works. Time to update the Standard Model." means we learned somthing we previously didn't, and we have to update our model. On the other hand, what if acceleration caused by gravity suddenly became 5 m/s^2? this wouldn't be new information, but a fact that directly contradicts previous knowledge.
Re:Your yearly dose of is-the-universe-a-simulation by moron4hire on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @07:09AM (#13929969)
"Observation contradicting previous knowledge" is literally the point of experimentation. If gravity were to do such a thing, either A) it was indistinguishable from random chance and we incorporate a concept of uncertainty into our understanding of gravity (which has actually happened), or B) it'd be reproducible and we'd... update our understanding of gravity (which has also actually happened). In neither case do we receive information we can use to determine "meddling".
Re:Your yearly dose of is-the-universe-a-simulation by wallace_f on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @07:09AM (#13929971)
and any a priori meddling would be indistinguishable from 'the Standard Model, i.e. that's just how physics works'
Re:Your yearly dose of is-the-universe-a-simulation by Filligree on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @07:46AM (#13930139)
Flaming letters in the sky stating "This is a simulation"?
Re:Your yearly dose of is-the-universe-a-simulation by Neliquat on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @09:16AM (#13930618)
This sounds like a challenge to all the firework craftspeople. I am convinced it is quite possible. The accuracy now is amazing.
Re:Your yearly dose of is-the-universe-a-simulation by oldsj on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @04:53PM (#13934828)
Or what if there has already been evidence for simulation theory we just can't "see" it like the legend goes for the natives who couldn't see Columbus's ship when it arrived in America whoaaaa